Motorcyclist wrote:
The problem here is not so much car drivers pulling out of their driveways - I agree that visibility is not a great problem. However, cars turning into the entrances from The Drive have their visibility obstructed by parked cars. There are no \"give way\" lines for either cars or bicycles so the issue of right of way is ambiguous. To deter reckless cyclists from speeding down (or up) the cycle lanes there is a simple solution. Painting give way lines which require cyclists to give way to traffic - and pedestrians - at the entrances is the answer. The cycle lanes on the seafront require cyclists to give way to crossing pedestrians - so why not here? Or is it expecting too much of cyclists to take some responsibility for their own safety?

Motorcyclist wrote:
The problem here is not so much car drivers pulling out of their driveways - I agree that visibility is not a great problem. However, cars turning into the entrances from The Drive have their visibility obstructed by parked cars. There are no "give way" lines for either cars or bicycles so the issue of right of way is ambiguous. To deter reckless cyclists from speeding down (or up) the cycle lanes there is a simple solution. Painting give way lines which require cyclists to give way to traffic - and pedestrians - at the entrances is the answer. The cycle lanes on the seafront require cyclists to give way to crossing pedestrians - so why not here? Or is it expecting too much of cyclists to take some responsibility for their own safety?

Rob wrote:
Cyclists are the biggest threat to pedestrians and car body work since the Luftwaffe. They very rarely take any responsibility for action taken and seem oblivious to any rules or regulations that all other road users adhere to (exceptions granted). Until cyclists are required to be insured and taxed I will continue to drive my Chelsea Tractor at them aggressively. I note that cyclists are also more often than not quite un clean looking people. Use the bus or buy a fossil fuel eating ozone depleting monster like my beast of an All Terrain Vehicle.

tony wrote:
I see the usual idiots have escaped again!! Look, the whle design is a complete balls up and whoever is responsible should be sacked for groos incompetence. Painting give way signs for cyclists simply won't work - they will ignore them in the same way they ignore most of the Highway Code. Don't get me going on insurance and testing for cyclists.......... Sits back and waits for the shower of abuse from the two wheeled wonders who seem to think that bringing ANy restrictions into operation is an invasion of their rights. If you want to use the road (as opposed to trying to knock over pedestrians on the pavement) then you should have insurance not only to protect others but to ensure YOU do not end up the subject of a lawsuit in the event of a problem. Other road users have to take a test so why not you? It is not the sole responsibility of other road users to avoid an accident with you, it is YOUR responsibility as well. The council will not scrap the whole thing no matter what the findings of the survey are. All that will happen is that they will dream up some half-arsed solution to get over the issue. Yet MORe taxpayers money wasted int he name of "improving" our City.....

Eddie wrote:
Some people have missed the problem here, it's not pulling out of driveways that is the problem or poor eyesight on the part of the driver. The problem is that when pulling into the drive from the main road the view of the cycle lane is impared by the rows of parked cars. I'm sure it doesn't help with seeing pedestrians either but they tend to be moving slower and are that little bit further away giving much more time to react.

Until cyclists are required to be insured and taxed I will continue to drive my Chelsea Tractor at them aggressively. I note that cyclists are also more often than not quite un clean looking people.

graham wrote:

Until cyclists are required to be insured and taxed I will continue to drive my Chelsea Tractor at them aggressively. I note that cyclists are also more often than not quite un clean looking people.

hmm...cyclists are a product of the environment they have to exist in. The problem is that cars are far too dominant on the road space, which means that its created urban guerilla style cyclists who are aggressive and idiotic. So if you really want to complain about cyclists dear car drivers, how about you realise that without your agressive driving then kids would still be cycling, there would be less cars on the road, and we'd all be better off.

Rick H wrote:

Motorcyclist wrote: The problem here is not so much car drivers pulling out of their driveways - I agree that visibility is not a great problem. However, cars turning into the entrances from The Drive have their visibility obstructed by parked cars. There are no \\\"give way\\\" lines for either cars or bicycles so the issue of right of way is ambiguous. To deter reckless cyclists from speeding down (or up) the cycle lanes there is a simple solution. Painting give way lines which require cyclists to give way to traffic - and pedestrians - at the entrances is the answer. The cycle lanes on the seafront require cyclists to give way to crossing pedestrians - so why not here? Or is it expecting too much of cyclists to take some responsibility for their own safety?

An excellent idea but surely if the cars and other vehicles are pulling out of drives and into the flow of traffic, it is they who should be \'giving way\'?

N wrote:

Rick H wrote:

Motorcyclist wrote: The problem here is not so much car drivers pulling out of their driveways - I agree that visibility is not a great problem. However, cars turning into the entrances from The Drive have their visibility obstructed by parked cars. There are no \\\"give way\\\" lines for either cars or bicycles so the issue of right of way is ambiguous. To deter reckless cyclists from speeding down (or up) the cycle lanes there is a simple solution. Painting give way lines which require cyclists to give way to traffic - and pedestrians - at the entrances is the answer. The cycle lanes on the seafront require cyclists to give way to crossing pedestrians - so why not here? Or is it expecting too much of cyclists to take some responsibility for their own safety?

An excellent idea but surely if the cars and other vehicles are pulling out of drives and into the flow of traffic, it is they who should be \'giving way\'?

True I agree, the first thing you notice pulling out of these drives is the cycle lane, here the visibility is very clear, so in my opinion motorists should give way to cyclists. However the problem is turning into these driveways from The Drive where you can't see any cyclists due to the parked cars and neither can the cyclist see who is turning into the driveways (again due to the parked cars)

Tim wrote:
Paul, if Chris Todd is an idiot then the same moniker applies to you, for the simple reason that bikes used that bit of road before the lane was there. All residents have to do is pull out slowly from their drives and LOOK both ways. If they can't do that then they're not fit to drive.

Tim wrote:
Paul, if Chris Todd is an idiot then the same moniker applies to you, for the simple reason that bikes used that bit of road before the lane was there. All residents have to do is pull out slowly from their drives and LOOK both ways. If they can't do that then they're not fit to drive.