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Cannabis factory found in Moulsecoomb
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| The view inside the Moulsecoomb house |
Cooped up in a tiny box room of
a semi-detached home in east
Brighton an Asian man sleeps,
eats and washes. Every other room
in the house is packed with
pungent cannabis plants and drug-cultivating equipment.
The bathroom resembles an industrial
mixing plant, filled with chemical
fertilisers used to stimulate the drug's growth.
There are racks of bright UV lights
suspended from the ceilings, heating
fans and a network of 30cm wide ventilation pipes.
Welcome to 16 Ashurst Road,
Moulsecoomb, one of a string of homes
rented out by criminal gangs to grow high-strength cannabis.
To anyone looking at it, it is a normal
semi-detached house. But passers-by
are believed to have been noticing a
strong smell of cannabis coming from
inside and reported it to police.
And, as The Argus speaks to neighbours,
the strong smell of the drug still
lingers. Walking through the front door reveals why.
It is believed that up to 600 plants at
a time were grown in the property -
with an estimated street value of
around £200,000. They can be harvested
four times a year bringing in a potential
annual income of £800,000.
Officers had broken down the door
to the three-bedroom house at 9.30am
yesterday. Inside they found a 30-yearold
man who said he was from Korea and who police believe was acting as a live-in caretaker for the operation.
He was arrested on suspicion of cultivating
cannabis and taken into custody for questioning.
Officers recovered
100 plants from the
lounge but Sergeant
Ray Avery, who is leading
the investigation,
said up to 500 others
had already been
cropped from its
bedrooms and distributed for sale.
Inside, the house hardly resembled a
home and instead could only be
described as a factory. While the single
occupant was using one downstairs
room to live in, the rest of the building
was given over to the drug. Plants were
grown in individual pots in illuminated
rooms where the walls were covered in
silver foil to help them retain heat.
To divert the smell of the potent
plants out through the roof of the
house, the pipes had been fed through
holes cut into the ceilings of the rooms.
To power the lights, heating and
ventilation fans, each of the upstairs
bedrooms had seven double plug sockets,
and 11 other power lines. The
cables for all these electrics were
crudely tacked to the walls up the
stairs, across the landings and into the
rooms, damaging the plaster.
In the downstairs room where plants
remained, the cabling had caught fire
and had to be replaced.
Blackened stripes down the walls
showed where the cables had burnt out.
Engineers had to be called to make the
electricity supply safe so the officers
could remove the remaining plants.
In the bathroom, large bottles were
laid out in front of the bath, in which
the scummy residue of previous fertiliser
mixes could clearly be seen. On
the landing, two large bunches of bare
stalks lay on the floor, suggesting a
large amount of leaves and buds had
already been cropped - adding to the
pervading smell.
Moulsecoomb resident Keith Soutter,
52, said: "It's normally so quiet
around here and it's not as bad as people
say it is. You get these episodes
every now and then and it gives the
whole area a bad name. You get so
many people moving here that are
renting accommodation they come and
go and it's difficult to keep track of people."
Semi-retired Dave and Val Goodall,
in their 60s, were visibly shocked when
The Argus told them about the raid.
Mrs Goodall said: "I saw the police
van up there this morning but I didn't
know what it was."
Brighton University
student James
Toone, 22, has lived
next door to the house
since September.
He said: "That stuff
doesn't bother me
when it's just weed.
They keep themselves to themselves, it
was a quiet house."
Detective Chief Superintendent
Kevin Moore said: "What there is in the
South East region, and even more
broadly than that, is a particular
problem that we are classifying as
Vietnamese organised crime.
"A number of these cannabis factories
are being run by gangs of people
originate from Vietnam.
"Cannabis factories are one stage of
this operation and there are much
higher levels of criminal activity above
that. They are linked to to much more
serious crimes. We have evidence that
they are involved in kidnap, extortion
and gun crime. While that has not had
a huge impact on Sussex, we have
unearthed a number of cannabis factories
here. They are renting properties
and then using them to grow cannabis
on a large scale.
"We often end up dealing with the
lowest end of that, what can best be
termed as gardeners."
He added: "We have not yet had a significant
arrest or investigation in this
region. What intelligence and evidence
is tending to suggest is that these
groups originate from within the
Thames Valley area and due to police
operations these are being pushed
down into the southern counties."
Sgt Avery warned people renting out
flats, pointing out that the damage to
this house was likely to cost several
thousand pounds to put right.
He said: "You can have the nicest
house, rent it out in good faith and then
it can be trashed like this one has."
Anyone with suspicions about
properties should call police on 0845
6070999 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555111.
10:16am Wednesday 14th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: !!!, Brighton on 10:35am Wed 14 May 08
'Cannabis factory found in Moulsecoomb'...you jest, surely?
'Cannabis factory found in Moulsecoomb'...you jest, surely?
Posted by: SS, Brighton on 10:40am Wed 14 May 08
DOH!!!
Posted by: winkywonky, Brighton on 10:43am Wed 14 May 08
me heard that the gange is much better than the Whitehawk puff man
me heard that the gange is much better than the Whitehawk puff man
Posted by: John Rambo, Ready and waiting on 11:01am Wed 14 May 08
Sound like I need to be air dropped into the depths of vietnam.
Sound like I need to be air dropped into the depths of vietnam.
Posted by: bobby bigballs, Brighton on 11:13am Wed 14 May 08
Surely someone must be paying bills at the house for electricity and who pays the rent? who's name is on the rent book/deeds etc. Makes you wonder how many more house have these weed factories in. Its a good way of earning a few bob! Think I'll go up the garden centre later.
Surely someone must be paying bills at the house for electricity and who pays the rent? who's name is on the rent book/deeds etc. Makes you wonder how many more house have these weed factories in. Its a good way of earning a few bob! Think I'll go up the garden centre later.
Posted by: jayne, hove on 11:27am Wed 14 May 08
problem when the council and govt. give out wrong message about cannibis and are so soft on drugs in this city that it attacts these idiots that destroy communities and peoples lives. I hope the police are really going to throw the book at them and make an example of them and then deport them. I wasnt aware asylum could be claimed from vietnam so why are vietnamese allowed here in the first place. all the more reason for a really tough immigration policy immediately and deportation orders on the idiots that are here illegally. too many years of a loony labour lefty softy govt.
problem when the council and govt. give out wrong message about cannibis and are so soft on drugs in this city that it attacts these idiots that destroy communities and peoples lives. I hope the police are really going to throw the book at them and make an example of them and then deport them. I wasnt aware asylum could be claimed from vietnam so why are vietnamese allowed here in the first place. all the more reason for a really tough immigration policy immediately and deportation orders on the idiots that are here illegally. too many years of a loony labour lefty softy govt.
Posted by: censored, Brighton on 12:02pm Wed 14 May 08
The new prison term is exactly the same as the old one. 14 years for supply under both class B and class C classification. You can hear the fear in users voices now they've reclassified it, can't you?
The new prison term is exactly the same as the old one. 14 years for supply under both class B and class C classification. You can hear the fear in users voices now they've reclassified it, can't you?
Posted by: censored, Brighton on 12:11pm Wed 14 May 08
Of course, if they just legalised it they'd get rid of stuff like this and raise between £340 million and £1 billion worth of tax per year.
Of course, if they just legalised it they'd get rid of stuff like this and raise between £340 million and £1 billion worth of tax per year.
Posted by: LOL@ Looney Right, Btn on 12:15pm Wed 14 May 08
Chill out people. What's the big deal? If you don't want it, don't buy it.
Chill out people. What's the big deal? If you don't want it, don't buy it.
Posted by: John, Cyberspace on 12:15pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]bobby bigballs[/bold] wrote:
Surely someone must be paying bills at the house for electricity and who pays the rent? who's name is on the rent book/deeds etc. Makes you wonder how many more house have these weed factories in. Its a good way of earning a few bob! Think I'll go up the garden centre later. [/quote] I'm sure the electricity meter would have been bypassed. Standard practice with weed farms
bobby bigballs wrote:
Surely someone must be paying bills at the house for electricity and who pays the rent? who's name is on the rent book/deeds etc. Makes you wonder how many more house have these weed factories in. Its a good way of earning a few bob! Think I'll go up the garden centre later.
I'm sure the electricity meter would have been bypassed. Standard practice with weed farms
Posted by: LOL@ Looney Right, BTN on 12:25pm Wed 14 May 08
These evil, evil scum.
Forcing people to buy their weed and making them smoke it.
How about the death sentence for anyone breaking the law or doing something deemed anti-social?
(unless it's a parking offence or caught speeding which should be a let off) that'll learn em won't it.
These evil, evil scum.
Forcing people to buy their weed and making them smoke it.
How about the death sentence for anyone breaking the law or doing something deemed anti-social?
(unless it's a parking offence or caught speeding which should be a let off) that'll learn em won't it.
Posted by: T.Ruth on 12:34pm Wed 14 May 08
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn't as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don't think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn't as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don't think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.
Posted by: juju, brighton on 1:23pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote:
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn\'t as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don\'t think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.[/quote] What a load of complete tosh. Legalise the stuff and stop pontificating know alls like this. Live and let live!
T.Ruth wrote:
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn\'t as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don\'t think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.
What a load of complete tosh. Legalise the stuff and stop pontificating know alls like this. Live and let live!
Posted by: Paul, Worthing on 1:32pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]LOL@ Looney Right[/bold] wrote:
Chill out people. What\'s the big deal? If you don\'t want it, don\'t buy it.[/quote] The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don't seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it.
LOL@ Looney Right wrote:
Chill out people. What\'s the big deal? If you don\'t want it, don\'t buy it.
The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don't seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it.
Posted by: me, here on 1:52pm Wed 14 May 08
That house looks alot better than most in Moulsecoomb
That house looks alot better than most in Moulsecoomb
Posted by: reason, hove on 1:58pm Wed 14 May 08
ferchrissakes, legalise it, take the proceeds away from criminal gangs, stoppin them from funding deeper crime, sell it in licensed premesis with the thc strength clearly marked, so consumers can make an informed choice like they do with alcohol or nicotene/tar in fags. alcoholics are 'demotivated' wouldn't you say? at least they can choose to be, or not. this story doesn't need to happen. free up police time and resources. increase tax revenue.
no, second thoughts, forget all the above, continue waging an expensive 'war on drugs' that cannot be won, will not stop people from smoking the stuff, benefits only criminal gangs, and costs taxpayer money to enforce. much better idea.
ferchrissakes, legalise it, take the proceeds away from criminal gangs, stoppin them from funding deeper crime, sell it in licensed premesis with the thc strength clearly marked, so consumers can make an informed choice like they do with alcohol or nicotene/tar in fags. alcoholics are 'demotivated' wouldn't you say? at least they can choose to be, or not. this story doesn't need to happen. free up police time and resources. increase tax revenue.
no, second thoughts, forget all the above, continue waging an expensive 'war on drugs' that cannot be won, will not stop people from smoking the stuff, benefits only criminal gangs, and costs taxpayer money to enforce. much better idea.
Posted by: Chopper, Mouselwhatever on 2:01pm Wed 14 May 08
That's a tad naughty ain'tit? Perhaps these people should just oh I can't be bothered.
That's a tad naughty ain'tit? Perhaps these people should just oh I can't be bothered.
Posted by: big mac, brighton on 2:07pm Wed 14 May 08
was waiting for a nice bit of weed must have been nearly ready i b et there gutted i know i am lol would have been lovly i bet
was waiting for a nice bit of weed must have been nearly ready i b et there gutted i know i am lol would have been lovly i bet
Posted by: lustrell, Saltdean on 2:09pm Wed 14 May 08
Am i going daft or what? How the hell does one Asian bloke get to sleep in a three bedroom council house by himself, when none of my kids can get anywhere near a house in any part of Brighton. Would somebody please explain to me how these peopl get hold of social housing?
Am i going daft or what? How the hell does one Asian bloke get to sleep in a three bedroom council house by himself, when none of my kids can get anywhere near a house in any part of Brighton. Would somebody please explain to me how these peopl get hold of social housing?
Posted by: Legs11, Brighton on 2:16pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]lustrell[/bold] wrote:
Am i going daft or what? How the hell does one Asian bloke get to sleep in a three bedroom council house by himself, when none of my kids can get anywhere near a house in any part of Brighton. Would somebody please explain to me how these peopl get hold of social housing?[/quote] It will be a private rental. Most housing in schoomersville is ex-council stock or did you miss that whole "right to buy" thing?
lustrell wrote:
Am i going daft or what? How the hell does one Asian bloke get to sleep in a three bedroom council house by himself, when none of my kids can get anywhere near a house in any part of Brighton. Would somebody please explain to me how these peopl get hold of social housing?
It will be a private rental. Most housing in schoomersville is ex-council stock or did you miss that whole "right to buy" thing?
Posted by: Whatever, Scoomb on 2:28pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]lustrell[/bold] wrote:
Am i going daft or what? How the hell does one Asian bloke get to sleep in a three bedroom council house by himself, when none of my kids can get anywhere near a house in any part of Brighton. Would somebody please explain to me how these peopl get hold of social housing?[/quote] 16 Ashurst is privately owned. My husband lived there a few years back with some mates (one of whom owned the house - it was his Mums after she died).
B&H council would never give a 3 bed to one guy.
lustrell wrote:
Am i going daft or what? How the hell does one Asian bloke get to sleep in a three bedroom council house by himself, when none of my kids can get anywhere near a house in any part of Brighton. Would somebody please explain to me how these peopl get hold of social housing?
16 Ashurst is privately owned. My husband lived there a few years back with some mates (one of whom owned the house - it was his Mums after she died).
B&H council would never give a 3 bed to one guy.
Posted by: RAS Putin, Brighton on 2:40pm Wed 14 May 08
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.
Posted by: FFS, Brighton on 2:50pm Wed 14 May 08
Stop tarring everyone with the same brush! I earn over £40k a year, work over 40 hours a week, manage a team of 25 people but have a chilling bifta every night and it doesn't affect my ability to do my job. Some people will use any excuse to be lazy, others (far fewer) can deal with it and get on with their lives. Alcohol ruins far more lives than cannabis.
Stop tarring everyone with the same brush! I earn over £40k a year, work over 40 hours a week, manage a team of 25 people but have a chilling bifta every night and it doesn't affect my ability to do my job. Some people will use any excuse to be lazy, others (far fewer) can deal with it and get on with their lives. Alcohol ruins far more lives than cannabis.
Posted by: LOL@ Looney Right, Btn on 2:54pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]LOL@ Looney Right[/bold] wrote: Chill out people. What\'s the big deal? If you don\'t want it, don\'t buy it.[/quote] The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don't seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it. [/quote] This is a non story, published in order for the 'deport them/ hang them brigade' to let off steam.
I wonder how many people using this forum are wearing clothing made by children exploited by and distributed by criminal gangs in sweatshops? I wonder how many people using this forum 'have a clue or even care' about poverty, exploitation and REAL crime?
Paul wrote:
LOL@ Looney Right wrote: Chill out people. What\'s the big deal? If you don\'t want it, don\'t buy it.
The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don't seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it.
This is a non story, published in order for the 'deport them/ hang them brigade' to let off steam.
I wonder how many people using this forum are wearing clothing made by children exploited by and distributed by criminal gangs in sweatshops? I wonder how many people using this forum 'have a clue or even care' about poverty, exploitation and REAL crime?
Posted by: Me, here on 3:00pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote:
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn't as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don't think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.[/quote] As we are well aware, you are a 'total abstainer' (as well as a total ****, but that's another story), yet you have zero credibility and certainly not worth listening to. Funny old world, isn't it, T.Roll?
T.Ruth wrote:
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn't as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don't think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.
As we are well aware, you are a 'total abstainer' (as well as a total ****, but that's another story), yet you have zero credibility and certainly not worth listening to. Funny old world, isn't it, T.Roll?
Posted by: LOL@ Looney Right, Btn on 3:01pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]LOL@ Looney Right[/bold] wrote: Chill out people. What\\\'s the big deal? If you don\\\'t want it, don\\\'t buy it.[/quote] The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don\'t seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it. [/quote] This is a non story, published in order for the 'deport them/ hang them brigade' to let off steam.
I wonder how many people using this forum are wearing clothing made by children exploited by and distributed by criminal gangs in sweatshops? I wonder how many people using this forum 'have a clue or even care' about poverty, exploitation and REAL crime?
Paul wrote:
LOL@ Looney Right wrote: Chill out people. What's the big deal? If you don't want it, don't buy it.
The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don\'t seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it.
This is a non story, published in order for the 'deport them/ hang them brigade' to let off steam.
I wonder how many people using this forum are wearing clothing made by children exploited by and distributed by criminal gangs in sweatshops? I wonder how many people using this forum 'have a clue or even care' about poverty, exploitation and REAL crime?
Posted by: Legs11, Brighton on 3:11pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]LOL@ Looney Right[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]LOL@ Looney Right[/bold] wrote: Chill out people. What\\\'s the big deal? If you don\\\'t want it, don\\\'t buy it.[/quote] The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don\'t seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it. [/quote] This is a non story, published in order for the 'deport them/ hang them brigade' to let off steam. I wonder how many people using this forum are wearing clothing made by children exploited by and distributed by criminal gangs in sweatshops? I wonder how many people using this forum 'have a clue or even care' about poverty, exploitation and REAL crime? [/quote] Not many!!! But then the Argus seems to censor quite a few informed comments, I've had one of mine dissapear today although some would argue I'm as informed as a spring cabbage!!
LOL@ Looney Right wrote:
Paul wrote: LOL@ Looney Right wrote: Chill out people. What's the big deal? If you don't want it, don't buy it.
The big deal is not so much the gear itself (although increasing numbers of people don\'t seem able to handle the strength these days), as the not very nice people who organise what you could call the distribution and marketing of it.
This is a non story, published in order for the 'deport them/ hang them brigade' to let off steam. I wonder how many people using this forum are wearing clothing made by children exploited by and distributed by criminal gangs in sweatshops? I wonder how many people using this forum 'have a clue or even care' about poverty, exploitation and REAL crime?
Not many!!! But then the Argus seems to censor quite a few informed comments, I've had one of mine dissapear today although some would argue I'm as informed as a spring cabbage!!
Posted by: Buy To Win, Surfing the debt tsunami and hanging ten on 3:15pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]RAS Putin[/bold] wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.[/quote] On the contrary. Dropping house prices and difficulty for first time buyers getting on the ladder has meant a decent return can finally be obtained in Brighton again.
I have personally bought four freeholds of two or more flats over the last few months for effectively less than £110K per unit. All let or being let at £675 to £950 PCM.
Luckily, I have a fantastic agent who secures me decent paying tenants, not Vietnamese drug peddlers.
Jog on you jealous si.
RAS Putin wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.
On the contrary. Dropping house prices and difficulty for first time buyers getting on the ladder has meant a decent return can finally be obtained in Brighton again.
I have personally bought four freeholds of two or more flats over the last few months for effectively less than £110K per unit. All let or being let at £675 to £950 PCM.
Luckily, I have a fantastic agent who secures me decent paying tenants, not Vietnamese drug peddlers.
Jog on you jealous si.
Posted by: RAS Putin, Brighton on 3:25pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]Buy To Win[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]RAS Putin[/bold] wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.[/quote] On the contrary. Dropping house prices and difficulty for first time buyers getting on the ladder has meant a decent return can finally be obtained in Brighton again.
I have personally bought four freeholds of two or more flats over the last few months for effectively less than £110K per unit. All let or being let at £675 to £950 PCM.
Luckily, I have a fantastic agent who secures me decent paying tenants, not Vietnamese drug peddlers.
Jog on you jealous si.[/quote] Grossing 8% on a falling asset? Bwahahahaha!
Buy To Win wrote:
RAS Putin wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.
On the contrary. Dropping house prices and difficulty for first time buyers getting on the ladder has meant a decent return can finally be obtained in Brighton again.
I have personally bought four freeholds of two or more flats over the last few months for effectively less than £110K per unit. All let or being let at £675 to £950 PCM.
Luckily, I have a fantastic agent who secures me decent paying tenants, not Vietnamese drug peddlers.
Jog on you jealous si.
Grossing 8% on a falling asset? Bwahahahaha!
Posted by: RAS Putin, Brighton on 3:28pm Wed 14 May 08
You BTL numpties do realise you're being set up as patsies for [bold]swingeing[/bold] new taxes as Gordenron's fantasy economy collapes?
You BTL numpties do realise you're being set up as patsies for
swingeing new taxes as Gordenron's fantasy economy collapes?
Posted by: Buy to Win, Driving past RAS Putin's and his Mummy's house in my Aston on 3:55pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]RAS Putin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Buy To Win[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]RAS Putin[/bold] wrote: This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.[/quote] On the contrary. Dropping house prices and difficulty for first time buyers getting on the ladder has meant a decent return can finally be obtained in Brighton again. I have personally bought four freeholds of two or more flats over the last few months for effectively less than £110K per unit. All let or being let at £675 to £950 PCM. Luckily, I have a fantastic agent who secures me decent paying tenants, not Vietnamese drug peddlers. Jog on you jealous si.[/quote] Grossing 8% on a falling asset? Bwahahahaha![/quote] Better than your 0% of nothing. And who says its 8%? You know nothing of my finances
None of these flats will fall below what I paid for them and seeing as I plan to hold on to them for the rest of my life and then pass them to my children, I suggest that they (and the rest of my large portfolio) will only ever increase in value as history has always shown.
'Bwahahahaha' to you. Whatever that is supposed to mean.
RAS Putin wrote:
Buy To Win wrote: RAS Putin wrote: This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.
On the contrary. Dropping house prices and difficulty for first time buyers getting on the ladder has meant a decent return can finally be obtained in Brighton again. I have personally bought four freeholds of two or more flats over the last few months for effectively less than £110K per unit. All let or being let at £675 to £950 PCM. Luckily, I have a fantastic agent who secures me decent paying tenants, not Vietnamese drug peddlers. Jog on you jealous si.
Grossing 8% on a falling asset? Bwahahahaha!
Better than your 0% of nothing. And who says its 8%? You know nothing of my finances
None of these flats will fall below what I paid for them and seeing as I plan to hold on to them for the rest of my life and then pass them to my children, I suggest that they (and the rest of my large portfolio) will only ever increase in value as history has always shown.
'Bwahahahaha' to you. Whatever that is supposed to mean.
Posted by: reason, hove on 4:20pm Wed 14 May 08
why is it that so many argus stories' comments degenerate into alpha male ego battles re money and property? no-one else gives a frack, stay on topic!!
why is it that so many argus stories' comments degenerate into alpha male ego battles re money and property? no-one else gives a frack, stay on topic!!
Posted by: zack, brighton on 5:36pm Wed 14 May 08
wow can not beleave it that why i saw load was tank heading in to brighton then it must of been
wow can not beleave it that why i saw load was tank heading in to brighton then it must of been
Posted by: whogiveza, Brighton on 5:52pm Wed 14 May 08
It doesn't say in the article, but surely the most relevant thing to most people in Brighton is whether this house is council property or not.
Because if it is, how come there have been no checks as to how many people are living there, and so on.
I for one, would like to know the facts, rather than listen to idle conjecture.
It doesn't say in the article, but surely the most relevant thing to most people in Brighton is whether this house is council property or not.
Because if it is, how come there have been no checks as to how many people are living there, and so on.
I for one, would like to know the facts, rather than listen to idle conjecture.
Posted by: Harry Squatter, undisclosed on 6:04pm Wed 14 May 08
Well, as Argus stories go, Sam seems to have put some effort into this one. However, did anyone notice the inaccuracies? "There are racks of bright UV lights suspended from the ceilings" Actually, those are Metal Halide and High Pressure Sodium lights. "the walls were covered in silver foil to help them retain heat." No, to reflect light. Obviously Sam doesn't grow weed. But at least the story was written better than "two cars collided today, and there were no injuries".
Well, as Argus stories go, Sam seems to have put some effort into this one. However, did anyone notice the inaccuracies? "There are racks of bright UV lights suspended from the ceilings" Actually, those are Metal Halide and High Pressure Sodium lights. "the walls were covered in silver foil to help them retain heat." No, to reflect light. Obviously Sam doesn't grow weed. But at least the story was written better than "two cars collided today, and there were no injuries".
Posted by: julian, hove on 6:31pm Wed 14 May 08
I think alot of these comments and bad english shows exactly what cannabis does to your brain.
I think alot of these comments and bad english shows exactly what cannabis does to your brain.
Posted by: Dave, Wivelsfield on 8:02pm Wed 14 May 08
Why are so few of these houses "discovered". Surely the aroma, the constant light levels in all rooms the electicity usage - in fact everything about them makes it fairly obvious by all accounts.
No doubt another "farm" is being set up right now. But as others have said there are simple sollutions it just takes the will to deal with it.
Why are so few of these houses "discovered". Surely the aroma, the constant light levels in all rooms the electicity usage - in fact everything about them makes it fairly obvious by all accounts.
No doubt another "farm" is being set up right now. But as others have said there are simple sollutions it just takes the will to deal with it.
Posted by: David Vernon, Saltdean on 8:25pm Wed 14 May 08
Instead of taxing cannabis, the government spend our taxes on destroying it. Shame.
Instead of taxing cannabis, the government spend our taxes on destroying it. Shame.
Posted by: pufferman, moulsecoomb on 11:32pm Wed 14 May 08
He his a lucky man if the residents have found out before the police they would have kick his door down he could had got serious hurt in the rush for free weed
He his a lucky man if the residents have found out before the police they would have kick his door down he could had got serious hurt in the rush for free weed
Posted by: Joe B, Brighton on 9:47am Thu 15 May 08
Could've been [italic]REALLY[/italic] interesting had the house caught fire with all the smoke!
Could've been
REALLY interesting had the house caught fire with all the smoke!
Posted by: Fizz, Brighton on 10:25am Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]julian[/bold] wrote:
I think alot of these comments and bad english shows exactly what cannabis does to your brain.[/quote] Hear, hear !
julian wrote:
I think alot of these comments and bad english shows exactly what cannabis does to your brain.
Hear, hear !
Posted by: Ollieox on 11:22am Thu 15 May 08
What is canabis STILL illegal!! I was under the impression the victorin era had ended some time ago.
What is canabis STILL illegal!! I was under the impression the victorin era had ended some time ago.
Posted by: elizabeth, brighton on 11:57am Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]juju[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote:
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn\\\'t as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don\\\'t think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.[/quote] What a load of complete tosh. Legalise the stuff and stop pontificating know alls like this. Live and let live![/quote] well said ruth, but brighton argus is not the place to let people know the real cost of cannabis, it numbs childrens brains, and it can ruin there lives, they drop out of school, and then have no money, so they start to steal from there families,and that causes tension and that might result in them being chucked out of the house for violent behaviour, and then that leaves them on the streets, and thats where problems start, they steal , they then become open to all sorts of other drugs, so there is a price to be paid for cannabis use, especially in the very young, and i am talking about kids of 12/13 smoking cannabis, when there brains are not mature enough to deal with it. I am sick to death of reading comments from adults who think smoking a few joints a day is ok, Lets just hope that you do not have kids, because only when you go through it will you really know the pain and trauma it causes to all family members, It ruins and breaks them up, and I know there are lots of mothers who will know what i am talking about[bold]bold[/bold] ,
juju wrote:
T.Ruth wrote:
Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn't as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don't think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.
What a load of complete tosh. Legalise the stuff and stop pontificating know alls like this. Live and let live!
well said ruth, but brighton argus is not the place to let people know the real cost of cannabis, it numbs childrens brains, and it can ruin there lives, they drop out of school, and then have no money, so they start to steal from there families,and that causes tension and that might result in them being chucked out of the house for violent behaviour, and then that leaves them on the streets, and thats where problems start, they steal , they then become open to all sorts of other drugs, so there is a price to be paid for cannabis use, especially in the very young, and i am talking about kids of 12/13 smoking cannabis, when there brains are not mature enough to deal with it. I am sick to death of reading comments from adults who think smoking a few joints a day is ok, Lets just hope that you do not have kids, because only when you go through it will you really know the pain and trauma it causes to all family members, It ruins and breaks them up, and I know there are lots of mothers who will know what i am talking about ,
Posted by: katy, hove on 12:00pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Harry Squatter[/bold] wrote:
Well, as Argus stories go, Sam seems to have put some effort into this one. However, did anyone notice the inaccuracies? "There are racks of bright UV lights suspended from the ceilings" Actually, those are Metal Halide and High Pressure Sodium lights. "the walls were covered in silver foil to help them retain heat." No, to reflect light. Obviously Sam doesn't grow weed. But at least the story was written better than "two cars collided today, and there were no injuries".[/quote] so where do you live, we should send the police around to your house, I think its time mothers and fathers took this into there own hands, and reported everyone who they are suspicious of. Lets protect our young kids, from morons like this
Harry Squatter wrote:
Well, as Argus stories go, Sam seems to have put some effort into this one. However, did anyone notice the inaccuracies? "There are racks of bright UV lights suspended from the ceilings" Actually, those are Metal Halide and High Pressure Sodium lights. "the walls were covered in silver foil to help them retain heat." No, to reflect light. Obviously Sam doesn't grow weed. But at least the story was written better than "two cars collided today, and there were no injuries".
so where do you live, we should send the police around to your house, I think its time mothers and fathers took this into there own hands, and reported everyone who they are suspicious of. Lets protect our young kids, from morons like this
Posted by: matt, brighton on 1:53pm Thu 15 May 08
Mrs Goodall said "I saw the police van up there this morning but i didn't know what it was". Erm, a police van, perhaps? Have we been smoking the chronic, Mrs?
Mrs Goodall said "I saw the police van up there this morning but i didn't know what it was". Erm, a police van, perhaps? Have we been smoking the chronic, Mrs?
Posted by: Nick, Brighton on 4:43pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]katy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Harry Squatter[/bold] wrote: Well, as Argus stories go, Sam seems to have put some effort into this one. However, did anyone notice the inaccuracies? "There are racks of bright UV lights suspended from the ceilings" Actually, those are Metal Halide and High Pressure Sodium lights. "the walls were covered in silver foil to help them retain heat." No, to reflect light. Obviously Sam doesn't grow weed. But at least the story was written better than "two cars collided today, and there were no injuries".[/quote] so where do you live, we should send the police around to your house, I think its time mothers and fathers took this into there own hands, and reported everyone who they are suspicious of. Lets protect our young kids, from morons like this[/quote] Hmmm,
Why send the Police? Because he is posting factual information rather than the total BS that has been written in the 40 or so other posts, and the main story.
Cannabis really does bring out the numpties, both users and non users alike.
katy wrote:
Harry Squatter wrote: Well, as Argus stories go, Sam seems to have put some effort into this one. However, did anyone notice the inaccuracies? "There are racks of bright UV lights suspended from the ceilings" Actually, those are Metal Halide and High Pressure Sodium lights. "the walls were covered in silver foil to help them retain heat." No, to reflect light. Obviously Sam doesn't grow weed. But at least the story was written better than "two cars collided today, and there were no injuries".
so where do you live, we should send the police around to your house, I think its time mothers and fathers took this into there own hands, and reported everyone who they are suspicious of. Lets protect our young kids, from morons like this
Hmmm,
Why send the Police? Because he is posting factual information rather than the total BS that has been written in the 40 or so other posts, and the main story.
Cannabis really does bring out the numpties, both users and non users alike.
Posted by: Harry Squatter, Wouldn't you like to know on 6:16pm Thu 15 May 08
Thanks, Nick, for the common sense comment. And Katy, just because I know things you don't doesn't make me a criminal. For all you know, I could be a policeman who specialises in this sort of thing, or a keen gardener. One thing is for sure, though: I resent being called a moron.
Thanks, Nick, for the common sense comment. And Katy, just because I know things you don't doesn't make me a criminal. For all you know, I could be a policeman who specialises in this sort of thing, or a keen gardener. One thing is for sure, though: I resent being called a moron.
Posted by: kayte, brighton on 6:50pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Harry Squatter[/bold] wrote:
Thanks, Nick, for the common sense comment. And Katy, just because I know things you don't doesn't make me a criminal. For all you know, I could be a policeman who specialises in this sort of thing, or a keen gardener. One thing is for sure, though: I resent being called a moron. [/quote] i apologize nick for calling you a moron, its just that i have seen so many kids ruined by smoking cannabis, they have dropped out of school and have no prospect, it makes me mad, this cannabis was grown for profit, to sell onthe streets of east sussex, it was not some person growing it a home for personal use,, I just feel strongly about how it affects kids, but i apologize to you for being so rude, its a very emotional subject for me, as i have been personally effected by cannabis in my family,and i am living wththe aftermath
Harry Squatter wrote:
Thanks, Nick, for the common sense comment. And Katy, just because I know things you don't doesn't make me a criminal. For all you know, I could be a policeman who specialises in this sort of thing, or a keen gardener. One thing is for sure, though: I resent being called a moron.
i apologize nick for calling you a moron, its just that i have seen so many kids ruined by smoking cannabis, they have dropped out of school and have no prospect, it makes me mad, this cannabis was grown for profit, to sell onthe streets of east sussex, it was not some person growing it a home for personal use,, I just feel strongly about how it affects kids, but i apologize to you for being so rude, its a very emotional subject for me, as i have been personally effected by cannabis in my family,and i am living wththe aftermath
Posted by: Harry Squatter, Still not telling on 6:54pm Thu 15 May 08
Actually, Katy, it was me that you called a moron, not Nick. But I'll accept your apology anyway.
Actually, Katy, it was me that you called a moron, not Nick. But I'll accept your apology anyway.
Posted by: T.Ruth on 11:16am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]elizabeth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]juju[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote: Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn\\\'t as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don\\\'t think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.[/quote] What a load of complete tosh. Legalise the stuff and stop pontificating know alls like this. Live and let live![/quote] well said ruth, but brighton argus is not the place to let people know the real cost of cannabis, it numbs childrens brains, and it can ruin there lives, they drop out of school, and then have no money, so they start to steal from there families,and that causes tension and that might result in them being chucked out of the house for violent behaviour, and then that leaves them on the streets, and thats where problems start, they steal , they then become open to all sorts of other drugs, so there is a price to be paid for cannabis use, especially in the very young, and i am talking about kids of 12/13 smoking cannabis, when there brains are not mature enough to deal with it. I am sick to death of reading comments from adults who think smoking a few joints a day is ok, Lets just hope that you do not have kids, because only when you go through it will you really know the pain and trauma it causes to all family members, It ruins and breaks them up, and I know there are lots of mothers who will know what i am talking about[bold]bold[/bold] , [/quote] Thanks Elizabeth, but unfortunately comments from that arrogant idiot who calls himself "Me here" are all too common on issues of this nature, which doesn't bode well for the decent people or the future of this country.
elizabeth wrote:
juju wrote: T.Ruth wrote: Yes I do, because I too have witnessed the transformation of Britain for the worse, which has undoubtedly been caused by the increasing abuse of cannabis. All too often we are told that cannabis isn't as harmful as the class A drugs, but I don't think that is a valid analogy, I believe that cannabis abuse has become so endemic in British society that only the views of total abstainers have any credibility and are worth listening to. One has only to look to the West Indies and in particular to Jamaica to witness the damage cannabis can have on society, it reduces motivation in all who use it and the majority of users are men, hence, Jamaican women have had to become fiercely independent of men in order to survive and the only successful Jamaican business men are the ones who have totally avoided using cannabis.
What a load of complete tosh. Legalise the stuff and stop pontificating know alls like this. Live and let live!
well said ruth, but brighton argus is not the place to let people know the real cost of cannabis, it numbs childrens brains, and it can ruin there lives, they drop out of school, and then have no money, so they start to steal from there families,and that causes tension and that might result in them being chucked out of the house for violent behaviour, and then that leaves them on the streets, and thats where problems start, they steal , they then become open to all sorts of other drugs, so there is a price to be paid for cannabis use, especially in the very young, and i am talking about kids of 12/13 smoking cannabis, when there brains are not mature enough to deal with it. I am sick to death of reading comments from adults who think smoking a few joints a day is ok, Lets just hope that you do not have kids, because only when you go through it will you really know the pain and trauma it causes to all family members, It ruins and breaks them up, and I know there are lots of mothers who will know what i am talking about ,
Thanks Elizabeth, but unfortunately comments from that arrogant idiot who calls himself "Me here" are all too common on issues of this nature, which doesn't bode well for the decent people or the future of this country.
Posted by: Hoostraten on 11:30am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]RAS Putin[/bold] wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.[/quote] I’m afraid you are incorrect Ras putin, repossessions have created a huge demand in rental properties which can’t be met, this will result in rents being increased and but to lets making even more money I’m afraid to say.
RAS Putin wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.
I’m afraid you are incorrect Ras putin, repossessions have created a huge demand in rental properties which can’t be met, this will result in rents being increased and but to lets making even more money I’m afraid to say.
Posted by: Hoostraten on 1:18pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]RAS Putin[/bold] wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.[/quote] I’m afraid what you claim is incorrect Ras Putin, because repossessions have created a huge demand in the rental property market which can’t be met, and this will result in rents being increased and buy to let investors making even more money I’m afraid to say.
RAS Putin wrote:
This is what the vile "Buy-to-Slum" culture of the past few years has led to. Luckily "Buy-to-Lose" is now on the way out, sweeping those ghastly new slumlords away in a debt tsunami.
I’m afraid what you claim is incorrect Ras Putin, because repossessions have created a huge demand in the rental property market which can’t be met, and this will result in rents being increased and buy to let investors making even more money I’m afraid to say.
Posted by: Say No to cannabis on 1:39pm Fri 16 May 08
I am involved in the study of the effects cannabis is having on those who cohabit with cannabis users and our research has revealed some alarming facts, in particular the long term effects secondary cannabis smoke is having on babies and young children. It appears that even a short exposure to secondary cannabis smoke is capable of having a devastating and permanent psychotic effect on a young child; but even more disturbing was the evidence we found that proved longer exposures appear to trigger schizophrenia that will affect the child for the rest of their life.
I am involved in the study of the effects cannabis is having on those who cohabit with cannabis users and our research has revealed some alarming facts, in particular the long term effects secondary cannabis smoke is having on babies and young children. It appears that even a short exposure to secondary cannabis smoke is capable of having a devastating and permanent psychotic effect on a young child; but even more disturbing was the evidence we found that proved longer exposures appear to trigger schizophrenia that will affect the child for the rest of their life.
Posted by: Legs11, Brighton on 3:53pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Say No to cannabis[/bold] wrote:
I am involved in the study of the effects cannabis is having on those who cohabit with cannabis users and our research has revealed some alarming facts, in particular the long term effects secondary cannabis smoke is having on babies and young children. It appears that even a short exposure to secondary cannabis smoke is capable of having a devastating and permanent psychotic effect on a young child; but even more disturbing was the evidence we found that proved longer exposures appear to trigger schizophrenia that will affect the child for the rest of their life. [/quote] If you are involved in this how come you don't sound very scientific? Come on facts, figures, graphs and intelligent reasoning are required not just your opinion! You provide absolutely NO evidence.
Say No to cannabis wrote:
I am involved in the study of the effects cannabis is having on those who cohabit with cannabis users and our research has revealed some alarming facts, in particular the long term effects secondary cannabis smoke is having on babies and young children. It appears that even a short exposure to secondary cannabis smoke is capable of having a devastating and permanent psychotic effect on a young child; but even more disturbing was the evidence we found that proved longer exposures appear to trigger schizophrenia that will affect the child for the rest of their life.
If you are involved in this how come you don't sound very scientific? Come on facts, figures, graphs and intelligent reasoning are required not just your opinion! You provide absolutely NO evidence.
Posted by: Say NO to cannabis on 7:56pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Legs11[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Say No to cannabis[/bold] wrote: I am involved in the study of the effects cannabis is having on those who cohabit with cannabis users and our research has revealed some alarming facts, in particular the long term effects secondary cannabis smoke is having on babies and young children. It appears that even a short exposure to secondary cannabis smoke is capable of having a devastating and permanent psychotic effect on a young child; but even more disturbing was the evidence we found that proved longer exposures appear to trigger schizophrenia that will affect the child for the rest of their life. [/quote] If you are involved in this how come you don\'t sound very scientific? Come on facts, figures, graphs and intelligent reasoning are required not just your opinion! You provide absolutely NO evidence. [/quote] My comment wasn't directed at individuals such as you, it was simply posted to make habitual no hope cannabis users aware of the harm they are doing to those around them who have no say in the matter i.e. the very young and innocent members of our society who through no fault of their own, happen to live with habitual cannabis smokers.
Legs11 wrote:
Say No to cannabis wrote: I am involved in the study of the effects cannabis is having on those who cohabit with cannabis users and our research has revealed some alarming facts, in particular the long term effects secondary cannabis smoke is having on babies and young children. It appears that even a short exposure to secondary cannabis smoke is capable of having a devastating and permanent psychotic effect on a young child; but even more disturbing was the evidence we found that proved longer exposures appear to trigger schizophrenia that will affect the child for the rest of their life.
If you are involved in this how come you don\'t sound very scientific? Come on facts, figures, graphs and intelligent reasoning are required not just your opinion! You provide absolutely NO evidence.
My comment wasn't directed at individuals such as you, it was simply posted to make habitual no hope cannabis users aware of the harm they are doing to those around them who have no say in the matter i.e. the very young and innocent members of our society who through no fault of their own, happen to live with habitual cannabis smokers.
Posted by: Legs11, Brighton on 8:27pm Fri 16 May 08
Say no does this mean you don't drive a car due to the harm that causes others? I Suspect not! 99% of people would agree smoking full stop is bad especially around kids and I bet the nowadays they don't, but how about eating the stuff you would be more guilty of harming others driving your car than a cannabis user! and lets not even get into the argument about the harm household chemicals do to people. Tax from legalisation would more than cover any harm done by this drug let people decide for themselves and then perhaps we can all learn how best to fit it into our society, at the moment we are trying to cut off a limb without a knife and without thinking when we might actually need to use it.
Say no does this mean you don't drive a car due to the harm that causes others? I Suspect not! 99% of people would agree smoking full stop is bad especially around kids and I bet the nowadays they don't, but how about eating the stuff you would be more guilty of harming others driving your car than a cannabis user! and lets not even get into the argument about the harm household chemicals do to people. Tax from legalisation would more than cover any harm done by this drug let people decide for themselves and then perhaps we can all learn how best to fit it into our society, at the moment we are trying to cut off a limb without a knife and without thinking when we might actually need to use it.
Posted by: Old George in the "ome, brighton on 3:46pm Sun 18 May 08
I dont give a toss if you smoke the stuff or not.What i dont under stand is why you need too? With every thing you have now adays why do you need to get out of your brain. Beats me.
I dont give a toss if you smoke the stuff or not.What i dont under stand is why you need too? With every thing you have now adays why do you need to get out of your brain. Beats me.
Posted by: Concerned Parent on 9:04pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote][bold]Legs11[/bold] wrote:
Say no does this mean you don\'t drive a car due to the harm that causes others? I Suspect not! 99% of people would agree smoking full stop is bad especially around kids and I bet the nowadays they don\'t, but how about eating the stuff you would be more guilty of harming others driving your car than a cannabis user! and lets not even get into the argument about the harm household chemicals do to people. Tax from legalisation would more than cover any harm done by this drug let people decide for themselves and then perhaps we can all learn how best to fit it into our society, at the moment we are trying to cut off a limb without a knife and without thinking when we might actually need to use it.[/quote] For God’s sake at least give the innocent little children a chance to reach adulthood without their brain being irreparably damaged by your secondary cannabis smoke and if you think that is an unreasonable request, then I believe you are guilty of criminal irresponsibility
Legs11 wrote:
Say no does this mean you don\'t drive a car due to the harm that causes others? I Suspect not! 99% of people would agree smoking full stop is bad especially around kids and I bet the nowadays they don\'t, but how about eating the stuff you would be more guilty of harming others driving your car than a cannabis user! and lets not even get into the argument about the harm household chemicals do to people. Tax from legalisation would more than cover any harm done by this drug let people decide for themselves and then perhaps we can all learn how best to fit it into our society, at the moment we are trying to cut off a limb without a knife and without thinking when we might actually need to use it.
For God’s sake at least give the innocent little children a chance to reach adulthood without their brain being irreparably damaged by your secondary cannabis smoke and if you think that is an unreasonable request, then I believe you are guilty of criminal irresponsibility
Posted by: RAS Putin, Brighton on 9:34pm Mon 19 May 08
Hmmm - Both A&L and B&B look to be making margin calls very shortly. Be afraid, slumlords - [italic]be very afraid[/italic] .
Hmmm - Both A&L and B&B look to be making margin calls very shortly. Be afraid, slumlords -
be very afraid .
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