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i360 tower could beam wi-fi
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| Seafront internet could cover a 30-mile radius, taking in Worthing, Crawley and Eastbourne |
A campaign is under way to
use the i360 tower to provide
free internet access for up to a
million people.
Businessman Tony Jones, of the
Seven Dials, Brighton, wants
the 172m tourist attraction to be
used as a major communication
hub.
Mr Jones has launched a bid to
secure 500 supporters before he contacts
developers and planning
authorities about his proposals for
the tower planned for the former
entrance to the West Pier, Brighton.
He says he has the expertise and
contacts to take the wi-fi idea
further and will create a non-profit
organisation to run the enterprise.
Mr Jones, 40, said: "All in
Brighton and Hove are going to be
blessed, in the not-too-distant
future, with the construction of the
i360 Tower.
"I don't have an objection to it so
long as the tower is built well and
sympathetic to its location and surroundings."
"However, what I am aware of is
that once this new landmark is
built, the city will be overlooked by
the i360 and all its visitors.
"My proposal is that in return for
allowing the public to look down
upon our gardens, terraces, balconies,
parks, windows and streets,
the tower serves a purpose for us."
He is seeking a free for life,
publicly run wireless internet connection
that will cover a 30-mile
radius including Eastbourne, Crawley
and Worthing.
Mr Jones has set up a group on
social networking website Facebook
to gather support.
He said: "This is a new idea but
judging by the reactions I seem to
be getting I think it will popular and
add a local value to the i360.
"I have the resources to take this
further but it will purely be driven
by public reaction and support.
"There are a number of places in
the world that have public or civic
wide wi-max networks, sometimes
called 4G networks, and there's no
reason why Brighton can't be the
same."
A trial is under way in Maidstone,
Kent, where 75,000 people and 4,500
people within a 7.5sqkm area are
benefiting from Britain's first
mobile wi-max network.
Mr Jones added: "I don't think it's
a big ask for the developers, planners
and construction engineers to
include the facility to allow a fibre
optic line to the foot of the tower, a
cable conduit to the top of the tower,
enough space for a switching room
and a bracket to attach a transmitter
aerial.
"This has the benefit of giving
something back to the community
and acting as a gift for becoming a
new addition to the skyline."
Marks Barfield, the firm behind
the i360, declined to comment.
Brighton and Hove City Council
is already considering installing a
wi-fi network covering central
Brighton.
The service would allow everyone
from commuters on buses to
tourists in city parks to log on to the
internet using wireless devices.
What do you think of the wi-fi idea? Have your say below.
4:08pm Thursday 8th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: sm on 4:21pm Thu 8 May 08
Wouldn't it be better placed inland ???
After all, what's the point of having a 30 mile radius on it when 30 miles the other way is all water.
Daft.
And I my go and join his facebook thing and tell him that.
Wouldn't it be better placed inland ???
After all, what's the point of having a 30 mile radius on it when 30 miles the other way is all water.
Daft.
And I my go and join his facebook thing and tell him that.
Posted by: norm, hove on 4:33pm Thu 8 May 08
WIll the organisation he plans to create be 'non profit' because someone is going to trouser all the cash by any chance?
WIll the organisation he plans to create be 'non profit' because someone is going to trouser all the cash by any chance?
Posted by: JP, South on 4:37pm Thu 8 May 08
Well first it's 183m high not 172, argos, you really must stop copying incorrect facts off wikipedia!
Secondly, to SM, good idea, can't think of a suitable tower thou? Anyway maybe the fishes want to watch YouTube?
Well first it's 183m high not 172, argos, you really must stop copying incorrect facts off wikipedia!
Secondly, to SM, good idea, can't think of a suitable tower thou? Anyway maybe the fishes want to watch YouTube?
Posted by: SS, Brighton on 4:38pm Thu 8 May 08
I think it's a **** good idea, free wi-fi, sweet. And if I get a blow up dinghy and hit the sea I can "surf" for free on me laptop...wooo!
I think it's a **** good idea, free wi-fi, sweet. And if I get a blow up dinghy and hit the sea I can "surf" for free on me laptop...wooo!
Posted by: andy, worthing on 4:41pm Thu 8 May 08
Why wait
for £10 a month you can get a mobile broadband 'dongle' from any of the networks so you are not having to rely on hot spots.
Why wait
for £10 a month you can get a mobile broadband 'dongle' from any of the networks so you are not having to rely on hot spots.
Posted by: Amanda Jane, Brighton on 4:55pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote]sm said: Wouldn't it be better placed inland ???[/quote]
sm's comments might be valid. After all, water is known to interfere with wireless signals.
sm said: Wouldn't it be better placed inland ???
sm's comments might be valid. After all, water is known to interfere with wireless signals.
Posted by: dave, out at sea on 5:02pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]andy[/bold] wrote:
Why wait for £10 a month you can get a mobile broadband 'dongle' from any of the networks so you are not having to rely on hot spots.[/quote] that is not free!?!?!?
andy wrote:
Why wait for £10 a month you can get a mobile broadband 'dongle' from any of the networks so you are not having to rely on hot spots.
that is not free!?!?!?
Posted by: Bradders, Brighton on 5:05pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]sm[/bold] wrote:
Wouldn't it be better placed inland ??? After all, what's the point of having a 30 mile radius on it when 30 miles the other way is all water. Daft. And I my go and join his facebook thing and tell him that.[/quote] Are you ever pleased with anything? Just enjoy the free stuff you miserable sod.
sm wrote:
Wouldn't it be better placed inland ??? After all, what's the point of having a 30 mile radius on it when 30 miles the other way is all water. Daft. And I my go and join his facebook thing and tell him that.
Are you ever pleased with anything? Just enjoy the free stuff you miserable sod.
Posted by: David, Hove on 5:12pm Thu 8 May 08
And while we are at it why not chuck a few phone microwave dishes up it as well, and a bungee jump and a Coast guard look out, Helecoptor landing platform, 400 flats with a third of them for social housing and key workers a Tesco's, an Ice rink BBC South Coast Radio mast and a so on, OR another idea will be just to have a nice tower as planned and enjoy the view
And while we are at it why not chuck a few phone microwave dishes up it as well, and a bungee jump and a Coast guard look out, Helecoptor landing platform, 400 flats with a third of them for social housing and key workers a Tesco's, an Ice rink BBC South Coast Radio mast and a so on, OR another idea will be just to have a nice tower as planned and enjoy the view
Posted by: another Dave, Brighton on 5:28pm Thu 8 May 08
It'll be used for more CCTV cameras, especially if Brighton ever gets a party conference back.
The whole thing'll end up just like the post office tower with a corporate restaurant at the top and no public access for security reasons.
Boo, baa humbug.
Ban access to the beach anyway as people litter it and dogs mess on it.
Rubbish idea
It'll be used for more CCTV cameras, especially if Brighton ever gets a party conference back.
The whole thing'll end up just like the post office tower with a corporate restaurant at the top and no public access for security reasons.
Boo, baa humbug.
Ban access to the beach anyway as people litter it and dogs mess on it.
Rubbish idea
Posted by: Major Blyth-Smith, 3rd Foot and Mouth on 5:32pm Thu 8 May 08
its unlikely to happen, the ISP's will be on to this like a ton of bricks - loosing a million customer is a big deal
And remember if big corporations, like starbucks, which i notice have hidden their building works now by keeping the door closed so you can't see what they're upto, can just ignore the planning process, they also have the big lawyers to bugger up the planning process
its unlikely to happen, the ISP's will be on to this like a ton of bricks - loosing a million customer is a big deal
And remember if big corporations, like starbucks, which i notice have hidden their building works now by keeping the door closed so you can't see what they're upto, can just ignore the planning process, they also have the big lawyers to bugger up the planning process
Posted by: Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square on 5:42pm Thu 8 May 08
What are this geezer's credentials?
Anybodu can call himself a "businessman" but there is nothing in the article to say what he does. Just vague stuff about his contacts.
The whole thing sounds more like a PR stunt to promote himself.
and it is doubtful that the tower will go away, what with the inherent costs and low returns compounded by the credit crunch. And in your dreams if you think this is ever going to fund a new Pier.
What are this geezer's credentials?
Anybodu can call himself a "businessman" but there is nothing in the article to say what he does. Just vague stuff about his contacts.
The whole thing sounds more like a PR stunt to promote himself.
and it is doubtful that the tower will go away, what with the inherent costs and low returns compounded by the credit crunch. And in your dreams if you think this is ever going to fund a new Pier.
Posted by: David, brighton on 5:56pm Thu 8 May 08
Good idea in principle but the towers got to be built first and there's big questions marks over that. Given the inevitable delays, by the time its up wi-fi will have probably been replaced with something else
Good idea in principle but the towers got to be built first and there's big questions marks over that. Given the inevitable delays, by the time its up wi-fi will have probably been replaced with something else
Posted by: sm on 6:10pm Thu 8 May 08
[bold]Secondly, to SM, good idea, can't think of a suitable tower thou?[/bold]
The rather large radio mast at Heathfield, Crowborough Beacon, Jack and Jill windmill.
for starters.
besides, it'll never happen, because the tower won't ever happen.
Secondly, to SM, good idea, can't think of a suitable tower thou?
The rather large radio mast at Heathfield, Crowborough Beacon, Jack and Jill windmill.
for starters.
besides, it'll never happen, because the tower won't ever happen.
Posted by: Mary Hinge, Brighton on 6:15pm Thu 8 May 08
I can just see it now.
"From the top of the i360 on the one side you can see er.... sea, and on the other the roof of the Brighton Centre and crack alley. Ooooh look there are some prossies and some drunks getting happy slapped".
Or perhaps more likely, "oh look it's misty, and you can't see er.... anything".
Bring it on!! We'll be the laughing stock of Europe!!!
I can just see it now.
"From the top of the i360 on the one side you can see er.... sea, and on the other the roof of the Brighton Centre and crack alley. Ooooh look there are some prossies and some drunks getting happy slapped".
Or perhaps more likely, "oh look it's misty, and you can't see er.... anything".
Bring it on!! We'll be the laughing stock of Europe!!!
Posted by: Les Froggy on 6:19pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Mary Hinge[/bold] wrote:
I can just see it now.
"From the top of the i360 on the one side you can see er.... sea, and on the other the roof of the Brighton Centre and crack alley. Ooooh look there are some prossies and some drunks getting happy slapped".
Or perhaps more likely, "oh look it's misty, and you can't see er.... anything".
Bring it on!! We'll be the laughing stock of Europe!!![/quote] well apart from the Sea and the Brighton Centre, pretty much what you can see from the top of the Eiffel Tower then.
Mary Hinge wrote:
I can just see it now.
"From the top of the i360 on the one side you can see er.... sea, and on the other the roof of the Brighton Centre and crack alley. Ooooh look there are some prossies and some drunks getting happy slapped".
Or perhaps more likely, "oh look it's misty, and you can't see er.... anything".
Bring it on!! We'll be the laughing stock of Europe!!!
well apart from the Sea and the Brighton Centre, pretty much what you can see from the top of the Eiffel Tower then.
Posted by: flange, Brighton on 6:23pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]sm[/bold] wrote:
Wouldn\'t it be better placed inland ??? After all, what\'s the point of having a 30 mile radius on it when 30 miles the other way is all water. Daft. And I my go and join his facebook thing and tell him that.[/quote] I can only guess that sm is an abbreviation for SIMPLETON. If you are so sure of your own ideas then get busy and stop sticking fingers up to others with more get up and go than you obviously haven't.[italic]italic[/italic]
sm wrote:
Wouldn\'t it be better placed inland ??? After all, what\'s the point of having a 30 mile radius on it when 30 miles the other way is all water. Daft. And I my go and join his facebook thing and tell him that.
I can only guess that sm is an abbreviation for SIMPLETON. If you are so sure of your own ideas then get busy and stop sticking fingers up to others with more get up and go than you obviously haven't.
Posted by: No, Way on 6:25pm Thu 8 May 08
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that'll all they'll allow otherwise it'll slow EVERYTHING up)????????
plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!!
This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that'll all they'll allow otherwise it'll slow EVERYTHING up)????????
plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!!
This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...
Posted by: tim, bn1 on 6:26pm Thu 8 May 08
There's no sign of any building work, so only a year late so far. Think I'll stick with £15 a month to Virgin media.
There's no sign of any building work, so only a year late so far. Think I'll stick with £15 a month to Virgin media.
Posted by: I360 Fan!, Brighton on 6:40pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]No[/bold] wrote:
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that'll all they'll allow otherwise it'll slow EVERYTHING up)???????? plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!! This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...[/quote] 1. there are plans to run a fibre cable up the I360 so the speed would be a LOT faster than 2MB.
2. I can imagine that to use the service that you will have to register an address within the radius to combat the risk of unsavoury use.
No wrote:
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that'll all they'll allow otherwise it'll slow EVERYTHING up)???????? plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!! This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...
1. there are plans to run a fibre cable up the I360 so the speed would be a LOT faster than 2MB.
2. I can imagine that to use the service that you will have to register an address within the radius to combat the risk of unsavoury use.
Posted by: reg moores, Brighton on 7:13pm Thu 8 May 08
The 360iwill be lower than the surrounding hills. Better views from the Dyke, Race Hill & Ditchling beacon. Another West Pier Scam maybe? Reg
The 360iwill be lower than the surrounding hills. Better views from the Dyke, Race Hill & Ditchling beacon. Another West Pier Scam maybe? Reg
Posted by: Leg11, Brighton on 7:21pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]No[/bold] wrote:
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that\'ll all they\'ll allow otherwise it\'ll slow EVERYTHING up)????????
plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!!
This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...[/quote] I'm on a wi-fi service at the marina which peaks at 54mbs but mostly runs at 12 or 24mbs so where do you get this info that it will only be a 2mbs connection? Or are we slowing the rest of the marina down? It is a good idea and FREE!!!! But still there are moaners!! As for law breakers wi-fi is not annonymous and they find ways of manipulating systems whatever they are, or do you think we should all be banned from using computers, cameras, televisions, magazines etc just because someone at sometime has abused all these items. Oh I forgot you belong to the ban it all, hang them all section of the Argus's readership!
No wrote:
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that\'ll all they\'ll allow otherwise it\'ll slow EVERYTHING up)????????
plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!!
This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...
I'm on a wi-fi service at the marina which peaks at 54mbs but mostly runs at 12 or 24mbs so where do you get this info that it will only be a 2mbs connection? Or are we slowing the rest of the marina down? It is a good idea and FREE!!!! But still there are moaners!! As for law breakers wi-fi is not annonymous and they find ways of manipulating systems whatever they are, or do you think we should all be banned from using computers, cameras, televisions, magazines etc just because someone at sometime has abused all these items. Oh I forgot you belong to the ban it all, hang them all section of the Argus's readership!
Posted by: caeos on 7:51pm Thu 8 May 08
wil the signal get over the downs to crawley, and what about the pier2pier free wifi. Of course we will all have to point our 'dongles' at the tower. anyone under the tower will probably not be able to get the signal due to the way the wifi aerial transmits. (thats providing the power of it is safe)
wil the signal get over the downs to crawley, and what about the pier2pier free wifi. Of course we will all have to point our 'dongles' at the tower. anyone under the tower will probably not be able to get the signal due to the way the wifi aerial transmits. (thats providing the power of it is safe)
Posted by: Barry, Walsingham Road on 8:23pm Thu 8 May 08
Everybody in Regency Square will be complaining that their brains are even more frazzled than usual. (Abbots is a by-word for bonkers.)
The courts will be clogged for years with compensation claims.
I gather the term is known as compo.
Everybody in Regency Square will be complaining that their brains are even more frazzled than usual. (Abbots is a by-word for bonkers.)
The courts will be clogged for years with compensation claims.
I gather the term is known as compo.
Posted by: wifi-user on 6:27am Fri 9 May 08
Noone who is .2-15 miles from the tower will aquire Internet access unless there are a pair of point-to-point antennas set up just for them.
Noone else will aquire useable Internet access except in the immediate vicinity of the tower. The tower height is twice the distance of typical wifi range in the outdoors, but there would be some useable wifi if the antennas were directional, pointing straight down, and not at the tower's top (particularly, not above that suspended disc).
There is no way that 1 Million people will be served by transmission from this tower, unless they place 10 thousand to 100 thousand separate transcievers there at once, and there aren't nearly enough separate channels available to keep them from crosstalking like hell.
I don't think that the tower's location, on the shore of a body of water, will affect the wifi much, though it could certainly be a strong source of energy-absorbing humidity.
Conclusion: anyone who considers this tower for providing community wifi has cooked eggs for brains.
Noone who is .2-15 miles from the tower will aquire Internet access unless there are a pair of point-to-point antennas set up just for them.
Noone else will aquire useable Internet access except in the immediate vicinity of the tower. The tower height is twice the distance of typical wifi range in the outdoors, but there would be some useable wifi if the antennas were directional, pointing straight down, and not at the tower's top (particularly, not above that suspended disc).
There is no way that 1 Million people will be served by transmission from this tower, unless they place 10 thousand to 100 thousand separate transcievers there at once, and there aren't nearly enough separate channels available to keep them from crosstalking like hell.
I don't think that the tower's location, on the shore of a body of water, will affect the wifi much, though it could certainly be a strong source of energy-absorbing humidity.
Conclusion: anyone who considers this tower for providing community wifi has cooked eggs for brains.
Posted by: Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square on 9:22am Fri 9 May 08
Well said, wi-fi user. Confirms my first suspicion that the self-styled "businessman" is another Brighton chancer keen to get his name in the paper. You can just picture him boring everybody in earshot at the Dyke Road Tin Drum as he talks about his latest "citybreak" holiday.
Well said, wi-fi user. Confirms my first suspicion that the self-styled "businessman" is another Brighton chancer keen to get his name in the paper. You can just picture him boring everybody in earshot at the Dyke Road Tin Drum as he talks about his latest "citybreak" holiday.
Posted by: Big Trucker, UK on 9:45am Fri 9 May 08
If the tower is to use an antenna that will get a signal 30 miles out then how the heck does Tony Jones think they will get the signal back using a device that has a range of about 75 metres?
The only answer would be to have a parabolic dish bigger than a Sky dish on the side of your house. Other than that then repeaters are needed and that then defeats the purpose of using the tower in the first place.
For a business man his plan is seriously flawed. Anyone thinking a single tower can serve up a signal to the whole of Brighton is opening up a huge can of failure.
If the tower is to use an antenna that will get a signal 30 miles out then how the heck does Tony Jones think they will get the signal back using a device that has a range of about 75 metres?
The only answer would be to have a parabolic dish bigger than a Sky dish on the side of your house. Other than that then repeaters are needed and that then defeats the purpose of using the tower in the first place.
For a business man his plan is seriously flawed. Anyone thinking a single tower can serve up a signal to the whole of Brighton is opening up a huge can of failure.
Posted by: rick, sussex on 9:55am Fri 9 May 08
Free wifi - great idea - then no-one can track IP addresses when illegal material is downloaded! how are they gonna get their little council heads around that one?
Free wifi - great idea - then no-one can track IP addresses when illegal material is downloaded! how are they gonna get their little council heads around that one?
Posted by: tobi, brighton on 10:45am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Flat Foot Soozie[/bold] wrote:
What are this geezer's credentials? Anybodu can call himself a "businessman" but there is nothing in the article to say what he does. Just vague stuff about his contacts. The whole thing sounds more like a PR stunt to promote himself. and it is doubtful that the tower will go away, what with the inherent costs and low returns compounded by the credit crunch. And in your dreams if you think this is ever going to fund a new Pier.[/quote] zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Flat Foot Soozie wrote:
What are this geezer's credentials? Anybodu can call himself a "businessman" but there is nothing in the article to say what he does. Just vague stuff about his contacts. The whole thing sounds more like a PR stunt to promote himself. and it is doubtful that the tower will go away, what with the inherent costs and low returns compounded by the credit crunch. And in your dreams if you think this is ever going to fund a new Pier.
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Posted by: No, Way on 10:52am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]I360 Fan![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]No[/bold] wrote:
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that'll all they'll allow otherwise it'll slow EVERYTHING up)???????? plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!! This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...[/quote] 1. there are plans to run a fibre cable up the I360 so the speed would be a LOT faster than 2MB.
2. I can imagine that to use the service that you will have to register an address within the radius to combat the risk of unsavoury use.
[/quote] 1) but there would still be hundred/thousands of people using it, therefore even with a 24mb connection it'll be the equiv. of 14k dial-up
2) ...because that can't be faked...
I360 Fan! wrote:
No wrote:
great, free wi-fi used by all of Brighton. The Argus website is slow at the best of times, can you imagine downloading the rest of the internet at 1kbps due to everyone using the 2mb connection (yes, that'll all they'll allow otherwise it'll slow EVERYTHING up)???????? plus, a hotspot of that size will be untraceable to a particular computer easily for paedos and fraudsters rejoice!! This is not an idea that has been thought through entirely...
1. there are plans to run a fibre cable up the I360 so the speed would be a LOT faster than 2MB.
2. I can imagine that to use the service that you will have to register an address within the radius to combat the risk of unsavoury use.
1) but there would still be hundred/thousands of people using it, therefore even with a 24mb connection it'll be the equiv. of 14k dial-up
2) ...because that can't be faked...
Posted by: Legs11, Brighton on 10:52am Fri 9 May 08
First to all the non believers try reading the article, it is happening elsewhere so it can work, secondly try using wikipedia to lookup 4G(fourth generation) wi max and you will find that not only is it possible, it can be fast, secure and nothing like the systems we currently use!! The readers of this paper seem to have learnt from the paper how to make comments without the most basic research!
First to all the non believers try reading the article, it is happening elsewhere so it can work, secondly try using wikipedia to lookup 4G(fourth generation) wi max and you will find that not only is it possible, it can be fast, secure and nothing like the systems we currently use!! The readers of this paper seem to have learnt from the paper how to make comments without the most basic research!
Posted by: sm on 2:39pm Fri 9 May 08
legs11, you may have done your so-called research on that terribly 'accurate' wikipedia, but I have a sneaky suspision that some of the comments made on here are by people FAR more intelligent than you and that know what they're talking about.
Also, it cannot prevent the FACT that of their 160 mile diameter of coverage, 1/2 of it is uninhabited water.
Now go back to calling those numbers you nimwit.
legs11, you may have done your so-called research on that terribly 'accurate' wikipedia, but I have a sneaky suspision that some of the comments made on here are by people FAR more intelligent than you and that know what they're talking about.
Also, it cannot prevent the FACT that of their 160 mile diameter of coverage, 1/2 of it is uninhabited water.
Now go back to calling those numbers you nimwit.
Posted by: bob, lewes on 2:57pm Fri 9 May 08
Oi sm are you a software engineer by any chance?
Oi sm are you a software engineer by any chance?
Posted by: Legs11, Brighton on 5:51pm Fri 9 May 08
I am not a siting engineer for 4G, But if it works and covers the number of people it was designed to cover does it matter that 180degrees is sea, cant see your point sm.
I am not a siting engineer for 4G, But if it works and covers the number of people it was designed to cover does it matter that 180degrees is sea, cant see your point sm.
Posted by: Wayne, Brighton on 6:19pm Fri 9 May 08
The health implications don't seem to be considered at all. It is potentially very bad for our health at a cellular level and to cover such a huge area is frightening.
The health implications don't seem to be considered at all. It is potentially very bad for our health at a cellular level and to cover such a huge area is frightening.
Posted by: Legs11, Brighton on 6:53pm Fri 9 May 08
Beyond wikipedia try researching the Combining of the companies Sprint and Clearwater using WiMax technology to form a $14.5Billion company that intends nationwide coverage of 4G in the USA!This technology is coming i360 or no i360, there will be a huge debate as to it being free though!! so lets get in there quick and do a deal for Brighton and its inhabitants, or are you happy with some of the slowest internet speeds in Europe!!
Beyond wikipedia try researching the Combining of the companies Sprint and Clearwater using WiMax technology to form a $14.5Billion company that intends nationwide coverage of 4G in the USA!This technology is coming i360 or no i360, there will be a huge debate as to it being free though!! so lets get in there quick and do a deal for Brighton and its inhabitants, or are you happy with some of the slowest internet speeds in Europe!!
Posted by: caeos on 10:52pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]wifi-user[/bold] wrote:
Noone who is .2-15 miles from the tower will aquire Internet access unless there are a pair of point-to-point antennas set up just for them.
Noone else will aquire useable Internet access except in the immediate vicinity of the tower. The tower height is twice the distance of typical wifi range in the outdoors, but there would be some useable wifi if the antennas were directional, pointing straight down, and not at the tower's top (particularly, not above that suspended disc).
There is no way that 1 Million people will be served by transmission from this tower, unless they place 10 thousand to 100 thousand separate transcievers there at once, and there aren't nearly enough separate channels available to keep them from crosstalking like hell.
I don't think that the tower's location, on the shore of a body of water, will affect the wifi much, though it could certainly be a strong source of energy-absorbing humidity.
Conclusion: anyone who considers this tower for providing community wifi has cooked eggs for brains.[/quote] This post originally appeared on the fon.com English forums which try an promote free wifi by AustiTx.
wifi-user wrote:
Noone who is .2-15 miles from the tower will aquire Internet access unless there are a pair of point-to-point antennas set up just for them.
Noone else will aquire useable Internet access except in the immediate vicinity of the tower. The tower height is twice the distance of typical wifi range in the outdoors, but there would be some useable wifi if the antennas were directional, pointing straight down, and not at the tower's top (particularly, not above that suspended disc).
There is no way that 1 Million people will be served by transmission from this tower, unless they place 10 thousand to 100 thousand separate transcievers there at once, and there aren't nearly enough separate channels available to keep them from crosstalking like hell.
I don't think that the tower's location, on the shore of a body of water, will affect the wifi much, though it could certainly be a strong source of energy-absorbing humidity.
Conclusion: anyone who considers this tower for providing community wifi has cooked eggs for brains.
This post originally appeared on the fon.com English forums which try an promote free wifi by AustiTx.
Posted by: jason the seagull, hove on 7:16pm Sat 10 May 08
Is this 'business man' the dude who skuds round town on a quad bike from time to time?
Is this 'business man' the dude who skuds round town on a quad bike from time to time?
Posted by: Big Trucker, UK on 10:05pm Sat 10 May 08
Those saying 4G have no clue I am afraid, 4G is WiMAX and will be using a commercial spectrum. There is no way that WiMAX will be free to the end user anywhere in the UK, the likelihood is that the spectrum available will be sold to a mobile phone company or a consortium of mobile phone companies. WiMAX is unlikely to reach the public end users and is not being promoted or geared as such a network, it is based on Point to Point and then roaming inside those buildings connected in that way.
Those saying 4G have no clue I am afraid, 4G is WiMAX and will be using a commercial spectrum. There is no way that WiMAX will be free to the end user anywhere in the UK, the likelihood is that the spectrum available will be sold to a mobile phone company or a consortium of mobile phone companies. WiMAX is unlikely to reach the public end users and is not being promoted or geared as such a network, it is based on Point to Point and then roaming inside those buildings connected in that way.
Posted by: the cnut on 12:05pm Tue 13 May 08
So in other words it`ll probably be pubs and trendy bars advertising "wi-fi" within the radius of the signal and you`d have to go into one of those to pick anything up, and even then it`d be dead slow.
So in other words it`ll probably be pubs and trendy bars advertising "wi-fi" within the radius of the signal and you`d have to go into one of those to pick anything up, and even then it`d be dead slow.
Posted by: Rob, Brighton on 2:45pm Tue 3 Jun 08
Coincidently look up Net Neutrality http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Network_neu
trality
Coincidently look up Net Neutrality http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Network_neu
trality
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