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First pictures of city centre scheme
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| Plans for Black Lion Street |
The first pictures of a radical redevelopment of a run-down city centre street street have been released.
Black Lion Street, The Lanes, Brighton, is to be transformed with a new Jamie Oliver restaurant, a Japanese Karaoke bar and redesign of the road following the same principles as the New Road scheme.
The project is expected to be finished by this autumn.
Karis Developments, which is also behind the £290million King Alfred project, is developing Moore House and restoring the next-door building.
A £100,000 pedestrian priority scheme, funded by the developers, will see a 'shared-space' scheme created, with a 25mm kerb to identify the pavement edge for the visually impaired and road-markings removed.
The concept has been branded a success in New Road, where traffic has dropped by 90 per cent and pedestrian use increased by 160 per cent.
The use of shared space has also been recommended for other routes in North Laine, The Lanes and Brighton Marina.
Tell us what you think of the plans below.
7:57pm Tuesday 25th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 8:05pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Karis Developments, and the delightful Josh "Dosh" Arghiros? So no doubt we will be liberally doused with another load of bull**** just like over the King Alfred. No Brad Pitt this time? Jamie Oliver is, I suppose, somewhat more believable. Anyway ... get your umbrellas ready, people (oh and book the mob of staving drama students to pose as residents for the council meetings).
Karis Developments, and the delightful Josh "Dosh" Arghiros? So no doubt we will be liberally doused with another load of bull**** just like over the King Alfred. No Brad Pitt this time? Jamie Oliver is, I suppose, somewhat more believable. Anyway ... get your umbrellas ready, people (oh and book the mob of staving drama students to pose as residents for the council meetings).
Posted by: Dave, hove on 8:19pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Pictures........wher
e?? Maybe one day the Argus will have a story to match the headline!!!
Pictures........wher
e?? Maybe one day the Argus will have a story to match the headline!!!
Posted by: marcus, Clifton on 8:27pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tony Davenport[/bold] wrote:
Karis Developments, and the delightful Josh "Dosh" Arghiros? So no doubt we will be liberally doused with another load of bull**** just like over the King Alfred. No Brad Pitt this time? Jamie Oliver is, I suppose, somewhat more believable. Anyway ... get your umbrellas ready, people (oh and book the mob of staving drama students to pose as residents for the council meetings).[/quote] Are you the same Tony Davenport who got [italic][bold]just[/bold][/italic] 50 votes when you stood in Regency in the local elections?
What a fool you made of yourself.
Tony Davenport wrote:
Karis Developments, and the delightful Josh "Dosh" Arghiros? So no doubt we will be liberally doused with another load of bull**** just like over the King Alfred. No Brad Pitt this time? Jamie Oliver is, I suppose, somewhat more believable. Anyway ... get your umbrellas ready, people (oh and book the mob of staving drama students to pose as residents for the council meetings).
Are you the same Tony Davenport who got
just 50 votes when you stood in Regency in the local elections?
What a fool you made of yourself.
Posted by: Dennis, Brighton on 8:29pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote]The first pictures of a radical redevelopment of a run-down city centre street have been released.[/quote]
But Lawrence was unable to get his hands on them!
The first pictures of a radical redevelopment of a run-down city centre street have been released.
But Lawrence was unable to get his hands on them!
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 8:48pm Tue 25 Mar 08
57 votes actually - 1.175% of the total vote. We had a by-election just a few months later where my vote rose to 7.22% (just 18 votes less than the Lib Dems, a national political party).
Do try and keep up Marcus! ;)
57 votes actually - 1.175% of the total vote. We had a by-election just a few months later where my vote rose to 7.22% (just 18 votes less than the Lib Dems, a national political party).
Do try and keep up Marcus! ;)
Posted by: Billy M, Brighton on 8:57pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Hopefully the design & street furniture will be much better & much more appropriate than the tinny, cheap looking, self conscious 'minimalist' tack in New Road. Ugh, that stuff looks so totally wrong for its context in that historic location alongside our grand Victorian theatre. Shame.
These pedestrian schemes are a really great idea. Pity about the misplaced minimalism. That rubbish is tired & dated now. Yawn. Time to move on, let the 1950s go and consider the surroundings.
The Lanes is Brighton's oldest & most historic quarter. For once, can that PLEASE be sensitively respected, as it is in most other cities and towns?
As for the King Alfred..... horror films & nightmares are made of such things. Eeeeeeeek.
Hopefully the design & street furniture will be much better & much more appropriate than the tinny, cheap looking, self conscious 'minimalist' tack in New Road. Ugh, that stuff looks so totally wrong for its context in that historic location alongside our grand Victorian theatre. Shame.
These pedestrian schemes are a really great idea. Pity about the misplaced minimalism. That rubbish is tired & dated now. Yawn. Time to move on, let the 1950s go and consider the surroundings.
The Lanes is Brighton's oldest & most historic quarter. For once, can that PLEASE be sensitively respected, as it is in most other cities and towns?
As for the King Alfred..... horror films & nightmares are made of such things. Eeeeeeeek.
Posted by: metro, 723-135 on 9:00pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[bold]First pictures of city centre scheme[/bold] - Do you think we can get the argus under trade descritpion law? they trade as a newspaper but never report news. headline says pictures but nothing in the article.
First pictures of city centre scheme - Do you think we can get the argus under trade descritpion law? they trade as a newspaper but never report news. headline says pictures but nothing in the article.
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 9:01pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Agreed Billy M.
Posted by: Stroller, Hove on 9:19pm Tue 25 Mar 08
What's all this about a "Japanese Karaoke" bar?
Isn't the very word Japanese?
Or does it mean that people will have to sing along in Japanese? That would make a change from a load of drunken typists belting out off-key versions of Abba numbers in the hopes of pulling a bloke.
Everything that Karis does is hopelessly vulgar. Just look at that awful block in Connaught Road. Common as muck.
What's all this about a "Japanese Karaoke" bar?
Isn't the very word Japanese?
Or does it mean that people will have to sing along in Japanese? That would make a change from a load of drunken typists belting out off-key versions of Abba numbers in the hopes of pulling a bloke.
Everything that Karis does is hopelessly vulgar. Just look at that awful block in Connaught Road. Common as muck.
Posted by: Marcus on 9:51pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tony Davenport[/bold] wrote:
57 votes actually - 1.175% of the total vote. We had a by-election just a few months later where my vote rose to 7.22% (just 18 votes less than the Lib Dems, a national political party). Do try and keep up Marcus! ;)[/quote] It is indeed hard to keep up with you Mr Davenport, or is it Mr Davies?
7.22% of the vote isn't really much to crow about is it?
Tony Davenport wrote:
57 votes actually - 1.175% of the total vote. We had a by-election just a few months later where my vote rose to 7.22% (just 18 votes less than the Lib Dems, a national political party). Do try and keep up Marcus! ;)
It is indeed hard to keep up with you Mr Davenport, or is it Mr Davies?
7.22% of the vote isn't really much to crow about is it?
Posted by: mark, brighton on 10:14pm Tue 25 Mar 08
this kerb of 25mm. whats the point of that? if its in the same materials as the road then how many people will trip on them? as for karis, this is a sham that the argus has fallen for, basically a restaurant and a bar, or in real terms drunken kids fighting outside. does anyone really think jamie will be anywhere near it? he will be there for one photo. how is traffic going to get to the lanes from the seafront, ie, lorries delivering? the figures about new road are not really accurate as north st was one way for most of year,most drivers now block church st instead.
this kerb of 25mm. whats the point of that? if its in the same materials as the road then how many people will trip on them? as for karis, this is a sham that the argus has fallen for, basically a restaurant and a bar, or in real terms drunken kids fighting outside. does anyone really think jamie will be anywhere near it? he will be there for one photo. how is traffic going to get to the lanes from the seafront, ie, lorries delivering? the figures about new road are not really accurate as north st was one way for most of year,most drivers now block church st instead.
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 10:19pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Oh dear "Marcus", you really seem to have your knickers in a twist about something. And what does all this have to do with the Karis development in the Lanes?!
Anyway ... if you have some problem with me for whatever reason, why not discuss it properly, not just siting there at a keyboard and trying to take little snipes from behind an anonymous username? Not very manly (or dignified) really, is it?
Oh dear "Marcus", you really seem to have your knickers in a twist about something. And what does all this have to do with the Karis development in the Lanes?!
Anyway ... if you have some problem with me for whatever reason, why not discuss it properly, not just siting there at a keyboard and trying to take little snipes from behind an anonymous username? Not very manly (or dignified) really, is it?
Posted by: Bob, Brighton on 10:49pm Tue 25 Mar 08
What pictures?
Posted by: Marcus on 10:51pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tony Davenport[/bold] wrote:
Oh dear "Marcus", you really seem to have your knickers in a twist about something. And what does all this have to do with the Karis development in the Lanes?! Anyway ... if you have some problem with me for whatever reason, why not discuss it properly, not just siting there at a keyboard and trying to take little snipes from behind an anonymous username? Not very manly (or dignified) really, is it? [/quote] Now you are one person I won't take lectures from about using made-up names.
Say hi to your Mum from the people of East Brighton. Do remind me how many votes she got? They saw through her.
Tony Davenport wrote:
Oh dear "Marcus", you really seem to have your knickers in a twist about something. And what does all this have to do with the Karis development in the Lanes?! Anyway ... if you have some problem with me for whatever reason, why not discuss it properly, not just siting there at a keyboard and trying to take little snipes from behind an anonymous username? Not very manly (or dignified) really, is it?
Now you are one person I won't take lectures from about using made-up names.
Say hi to your Mum from the people of East Brighton. Do remind me how many votes she got? They saw through her.
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 11:18pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Ouch .. someone's got issues there methinks. Once again I'm really scratching my head to think what any of this has to do with the Karis development ... care to shed any light "Marcus"?!
And "made-up names" ... what exactly are you talking about?
Ouch .. someone's got issues there methinks. Once again I'm really scratching my head to think what any of this has to do with the Karis development ... care to shed any light "Marcus"?!
And "made-up names" ... what exactly are you talking about?
Posted by: Gentleman Jim, Brighton on 11:36pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Following their King Alfred project I cant believe that Karis would be allowed to quote for any further developments in Brighton and Hove.
Following their King Alfred project I cant believe that Karis would be allowed to quote for any further developments in Brighton and Hove.
Posted by: jayne, hove on 12:17am Wed 26 Mar 08
I like the idea and workings of the shared space, where the pedestrian can respect the car as much as the car respects the pedestrian. blocking roads off to cars does not help the city, shared space will. I dont care who does it as long as it is done well on time and on budget. as for the king alfred, lets hope something gets started soon but hope there is a rethink on the design of the flats, as I am liking the striking look of the sports centre, this could be the hub of a fantastic development like the jubilee library, if everything was to be kept in proportion and scale. Hopefully Karis will see sense that their own design and greed will be its own downfall. The sports centre with better designed surroundings will win for Karis in the long run, in further contracts. The current ugly scheme will put people off Karis.
I like the idea and workings of the shared space, where the pedestrian can respect the car as much as the car respects the pedestrian. blocking roads off to cars does not help the city, shared space will. I dont care who does it as long as it is done well on time and on budget. as for the king alfred, lets hope something gets started soon but hope there is a rethink on the design of the flats, as I am liking the striking look of the sports centre, this could be the hub of a fantastic development like the jubilee library, if everything was to be kept in proportion and scale. Hopefully Karis will see sense that their own design and greed will be its own downfall. The sports centre with better designed surroundings will win for Karis in the long run, in further contracts. The current ugly scheme will put people off Karis.
Posted by: steven taylor, queenstown n.z on 1:39am Wed 26 Mar 08
Its good to read that after all these years Brighton is still as crappy as ever, i spent 12 years there and the hot air the council came out with hasnt cooled @ all..yes interesting pics !!!
Its good to read that after all these years Brighton is still as crappy as ever, i spent 12 years there and the hot air the council came out with hasnt cooled @ all..yes interesting pics !!!
Posted by: amazed,, the a259 on 7:42am Wed 26 Mar 08
are karis developments in the councils pockets? first the king alfred white elephant, now this. don't any other developers get a look in? why a karaoke bar? why not just a thorough deep clean and leave alone!
are karis developments in the councils pockets? first the king alfred white elephant, now this. don't any other developers get a look in? why a karaoke bar? why not just a thorough deep clean and leave alone!
Posted by: Stroller, Hove on 8:05am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]amazed,[/bold] wrote:
are karis developments in the councils pockets? first the king alfred white elephant, now this. don't any other developers get a look in? why a karaoke bar? why not just a thorough deep clean and leave alone![/quote] Brian Oxley has made it clear that he will do Karis's bidding.
amazed, wrote:
are karis developments in the councils pockets? first the king alfred white elephant, now this. don't any other developers get a look in? why a karaoke bar? why not just a thorough deep clean and leave alone!
Brian Oxley has made it clear that he will do Karis's bidding.
Posted by: matt, hove on 8:22am Wed 26 Mar 08
http://www.karis.co.
uk/projects/brighton
/moore-house/moore-h
ouse-initial-plans
http://www.karis.co.
uk/projects/brighton
/moore-house/moore-h
ouse-initial-plans
Posted by: freddie, Yes New Bins on 10:07am Wed 26 Mar 08
Tony Davenport, aka Tony Davies is a very strange man.
He waged a one man war against Gill Mitchell, Labour Leader on the Council over her plans to consult on new communal bins. Note the word consult, he seemed to be against even asking residents what they thought.
Mr Davies turned it all very nasty and he became a hate figure to many locally, confirmed by his dire attempts at standing for the Council.
For someone who would spout so much hot air, it was strange at how badly he polled. He must have upset a lot of people where he lives.
For some strange reason he changed his name part way through all of this, probably because the heat got too much for him and he went into hiding.
He also launched an Independent Party, whose only achievement was to see one of the city's two independent councillors lose her seat. All a bit odd really.
Oh yes his Mother did stand for his party. Yes she polled very poorly. She tried to buy the election through endless dulla dverts in the Kemptown Rag newsletter. I spoke to her at an event once, she is a very hard woman.
There are lots of runours about him, but who know if any of it is true.
I don't know why he has suddenly got interested in this scheme, but the bins work well in Regency and I hope the rest of the ward gets them.
Tony Davenport, aka Tony Davies is a very strange man.
He waged a one man war against Gill Mitchell, Labour Leader on the Council over her plans to consult on new communal bins. Note the word consult, he seemed to be against even asking residents what they thought.
Mr Davies turned it all very nasty and he became a hate figure to many locally, confirmed by his dire attempts at standing for the Council.
For someone who would spout so much hot air, it was strange at how badly he polled. He must have upset a lot of people where he lives.
For some strange reason he changed his name part way through all of this, probably because the heat got too much for him and he went into hiding.
He also launched an Independent Party, whose only achievement was to see one of the city's two independent councillors lose her seat. All a bit odd really.
Oh yes his Mother did stand for his party. Yes she polled very poorly. She tried to buy the election through endless dulla dverts in the Kemptown Rag newsletter. I spoke to her at an event once, she is a very hard woman.
There are lots of runours about him, but who know if any of it is true.
I don't know why he has suddenly got interested in this scheme, but the bins work well in Regency and I hope the rest of the ward gets them.
Posted by: rb, brighton on 10:17am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]matt[/bold] wrote:
http://www.karis.co. uk/projects/brighton /moore-house/moore-h ouse-initial-plans[/quote] thanks matt.
go to the link for 90-96 preston road, they are a just little bitter sounding... gadzooks, affordable housing?! not for karis!
a karaoke bar is just what the south lanes needs :S more drunks falling into the street.
they are most certainly in the council's pocket.
matt wrote:
http://www.karis.co. uk/projects/brighton /moore-house/moore-h ouse-initial-plans
thanks matt.
go to the link for 90-96 preston road, they are a just little bitter sounding... gadzooks, affordable housing?! not for karis!
a karaoke bar is just what the south lanes needs :S more drunks falling into the street.
they are most certainly in the council's pocket.
Posted by: Barry, Walsingham Road on 10:28am Wed 26 Mar 08
The Karis connection is the reason for Oxley's departure, that's what everybody is saying. He got mixed up in more than he realised.
The Karis connection is the reason for Oxley's departure, that's what everybody is saying. He got mixed up in more than he realised.
Posted by: mark, brighton on 10:51am Wed 26 Mar 08
i thought the council were going to stop more bars opening in town centre? this story is a joke, more flats for londoners, more bars for those that have been banned everywhere else to fight in. and this bar has a entertainment license !! so maybe another strip club when this falls flat on its face! as for karis can someone show me a project thats any good that they have finnished? connaught road is a disgrace.. how the council allowed that? ( oh yes its karis ) there should be a police investigation on how this man gets permission for this rubbish
i thought the council were going to stop more bars opening in town centre? this story is a joke, more flats for londoners, more bars for those that have been banned everywhere else to fight in. and this bar has a entertainment license !! so maybe another strip club when this falls flat on its face! as for karis can someone show me a project thats any good that they have finnished? connaught road is a disgrace.. how the council allowed that? ( oh yes its karis ) there should be a police investigation on how this man gets permission for this rubbish
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 11:13am Wed 26 Mar 08
So "Marcus" has now morphed into "Freddie" - gives you some idea of his integrity! As he then goes on to spout some more false information and lunacy, I guess his comments should really be taken with a metric tonne of salt. Sounds like he's a Labour supporter annoyed that I have exposed the fact that Labour councillors in East Brighton - despite their "campaigning" for proper consultation with residents over communal bins - never bothered to have any when they were in power (readers can study the council's own scrutiny panel reports which concluded that this was the case). I note this theme of political duplicity in recent letters to the Argus and articles re: the Marine Parade lift and post office closures. Ho hum.
Again ... um ... the relevance to the Karis development is what exactly?!
So "Marcus" has now morphed into "Freddie" - gives you some idea of his integrity! As he then goes on to spout some more false information and lunacy, I guess his comments should really be taken with a metric tonne of salt. Sounds like he's a Labour supporter annoyed that I have exposed the fact that Labour councillors in East Brighton - despite their "campaigning" for proper consultation with residents over communal bins - never bothered to have any when they were in power (readers can study the council's own scrutiny panel reports which concluded that this was the case). I note this theme of political duplicity in recent letters to the Argus and articles re: the Marine Parade lift and post office closures. Ho hum.
Again ... um ... the relevance to the Karis development is what exactly?!
Posted by: freddie on 11:31am Wed 26 Mar 08
You are online Mr Davenport-Davies!!
Tell us, why did you chnage your name?
It seemed a very odd thing for a sane person to do.
You are online Mr Davenport-Davies!!
Tell us, why did you chnage your name?
It seemed a very odd thing for a sane person to do.
Posted by: happy, brighton on 11:43am Wed 26 Mar 08
Excellent, I like what they did to new rd, great materials, fits in really well into the area... just hope Karis can do as such a good job.
Excellent, I like what they did to new rd, great materials, fits in really well into the area... just hope Karis can do as such a good job.
Posted by: tim, brighton on 11:59am Wed 26 Mar 08
Most of Brighton is a dump, this street is a right dump and everyone whinges about a little improvement. Get over it move forward.
Most of Brighton is a dump, this street is a right dump and everyone whinges about a little improvement. Get over it move forward.
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 12:15pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I suppose "Freddie" it is only an odd thing to do if one enjoys the fantasy-fuelled mind of a conspiracy theorist. The truth is, as is so often the case, somewhat more banal, and something I have happily explained to anyone who has asked. My father was adopted and so I have no blood link to the Davies name at all. A couple of years ago it was time to renew my passport and as I had always planned to change my name to my family name of Davenport, and being an opponent of ID cards and biometric data on passports, I concluded that if I did it at that point I would be free of those things for at least 10 years (the duration of my new passport). Furthermore, I found I could do it for a mere £5 (still a great deal more than just typing a different name into the Argus comments box, eh?).
The lack of sinister intent or grand conspiracy must prove something of a disappointment to you! Besides this, if I was trying to "hide" from the thousands of supposed supporters of communal bins in my area, why would my election leaflet clearly state that I was the one who started the campaign against them in the streets where the majority thought they were unnecessary? That really would be stupid.
P.S. Elvis is dead. Sorry.
I suppose "Freddie" it is only an odd thing to do if one enjoys the fantasy-fuelled mind of a conspiracy theorist. The truth is, as is so often the case, somewhat more banal, and something I have happily explained to anyone who has asked. My father was adopted and so I have no blood link to the Davies name at all. A couple of years ago it was time to renew my passport and as I had always planned to change my name to my family name of Davenport, and being an opponent of ID cards and biometric data on passports, I concluded that if I did it at that point I would be free of those things for at least 10 years (the duration of my new passport). Furthermore, I found I could do it for a mere £5 (still a great deal more than just typing a different name into the Argus comments box, eh?).
The lack of sinister intent or grand conspiracy must prove something of a disappointment to you! Besides this, if I was trying to "hide" from the thousands of supposed supporters of communal bins in my area, why would my election leaflet clearly state that I was the one who started the campaign against them in the streets where the majority thought they were unnecessary? That really would be stupid.
P.S. Elvis is dead. Sorry.
Posted by: freddie on 12:22pm Wed 26 Mar 08
And we thought that you changed your name because you polled so badly in the local elections. 57 votes is pretty bad for someone so active, and indeed the only candidate to live in the ward.
It was surprising you didn't do better, especially with all this that you claim. Have you ever thought why you were rejected by so many people?
Have you told Mrs Davies that you aren't actually related to her yet? She'll take it badly, like most other things. By all that I hear about her she is a very harsh lady.
And we thought that you changed your name because you polled so badly in the local elections. 57 votes is pretty bad for someone so active, and indeed the only candidate to live in the ward.
It was surprising you didn't do better, especially with all this that you claim. Have you ever thought why you were rejected by so many people?
Have you told Mrs Davies that you aren't actually related to her yet? She'll take it badly, like most other things. By all that I hear about her she is a very harsh lady.
Posted by: Shenanigans, Online on 12:25pm Wed 26 Mar 08
It never cease to amaze me the amout of low-level local politicians and their cronies who spend 1/2 their day scouring this website and making various tactical postings of an assorted nature to further the political agendas that pull their puppet strings.
In the words of Coudenhove-Kalergi:
"We are experiencing the most dangerous revolution in the world history: the revolution of the State against the man. We are experiencing the worst idolatry of all the time: the deification of the state." (Totaler Mensch - totaler Staat)
Shame on all of you grafting climbers! You are all a scourge on society!
It never cease to amaze me the amout of low-level local politicians and their cronies who spend 1/2 their day scouring this website and making various tactical postings of an assorted nature to further the political agendas that pull their puppet strings.
In the words of Coudenhove-Kalergi:
"We are experiencing the most dangerous revolution in the world history: the revolution of the State against the man. We are experiencing the worst idolatry of all the time: the deification of the state." (Totaler Mensch - totaler Staat)
Shame on all of you grafting climbers! You are all a scourge on society!
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 12:55pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Agreed, Shenanigans, or in this case the political party against the independent resident.
Actually "Freddie" I had changed my name well before the May election, and stood under my family name - perhaps that is a reason I polled badly then.
As for suggesting that my mother is not related to me, I'm afraid I don't have the time to explain the very basics of genealogy to you, and the subsequent question of whether or not you would grasp the concepts is open to debate. Apologies! ;)
However I can understand why you would consider my mother as "hard" or "harsh" when you compare her, as you obviously have, to Councillor Gill Mitchell, who is - as everyone agrees - universally loved (especially by members of her own party), and is a warm, cuddly bundle of fun, and who enjoys a documented history of legitimate concern for the well-being of residents of her ward. How can anyone compete with that?
Agreed, Shenanigans, or in this case the political party against the independent resident.
Actually "Freddie" I had changed my name well before the May election, and stood under my family name - perhaps that is a reason I polled badly then.
As for suggesting that my mother is not related to me, I'm afraid I don't have the time to explain the very basics of genealogy to you, and the subsequent question of whether or not you would grasp the concepts is open to debate. Apologies! ;)
However I can understand why you would consider my mother as "hard" or "harsh" when you compare her, as you obviously have, to Councillor Gill Mitchell, who is - as everyone agrees - universally loved (especially by members of her own party), and is a warm, cuddly bundle of fun, and who enjoys a documented history of legitimate concern for the well-being of residents of her ward. How can anyone compete with that?
Posted by: freddie, the truth slayer on 1:26pm Wed 26 Mar 08
No need to apologise for not knowing the basics of genealogy, you'll learn one day.
Yes, Cllr Mitchell is an excellent Councillor and I'm glad that you admit it.
But you are a bit hard on your poor 'Mum'. Not eveyone one can be Super-Gill. It must have really pained your dear old 'Mum' to have lost so badly to Cllr Mitchell. But the people spoke and you lost.
How did the bankruptcy go by the way?
No need to apologise for not knowing the basics of genealogy, you'll learn one day.
Yes, Cllr Mitchell is an excellent Councillor and I'm glad that you admit it.
But you are a bit hard on your poor 'Mum'. Not eveyone one can be Super-Gill. It must have really pained your dear old 'Mum' to have lost so badly to Cllr Mitchell. But the people spoke and you lost.
How did the bankruptcy go by the way?
Posted by: Nikos, Brighton on 1:48pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Amidst all this back biting I wonder whether anyone can refresh my memory regarding the developer of those magnificent Terraces above the Sealife centre was?
Amidst all this back biting I wonder whether anyone can refresh my memory regarding the developer of those magnificent Terraces above the Sealife centre was?
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 2:23pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Oh, "Freddie", you do miss the point.
Anyway, I am happy to have this verbal sparing with you (although it is clear that it is doing your cause no good), but I am rather concerned by your accusation that I am, or was, a bankrupt. I never have been, nor indeed plan to be.
Your moniker "the truth slayer" indicates you seek to destroy the truth rather than dispensing it, so perhaps it is appropriate, and I invite you to pony up any evidence to support this defamatory and false claim against me. Go ahead ... we're all ears ....
Oh, "Freddie", you do miss the point.
Anyway, I am happy to have this verbal sparing with you (although it is clear that it is doing your cause no good), but I am rather concerned by your accusation that I am, or was, a bankrupt. I never have been, nor indeed plan to be.
Your moniker "the truth slayer" indicates you seek to destroy the truth rather than dispensing it, so perhaps it is appropriate, and I invite you to pony up any evidence to support this defamatory and false claim against me. Go ahead ... we're all ears ....
Posted by: Nikos, Brighton on 2:27pm Wed 26 Mar 08
and I'm all ears on the developer question, help please!
and I'm all ears on the developer question, help please!
Posted by: freddie, No New Tony Davenport on 2:42pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Touched a nerve there!
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 2:59pm Wed 26 Mar 08
No, I just don't like false information about me - just as I am sure you, or anyone, would not. So your lack of anything to back up your statements clearly shows everyone what you are. Was it "hot air" you talked about?
Nikos - the developer of The Terraces was Aquarium Entertainments Ltd. They leased the land from the council back in 1955.
No, I just don't like false information about me - just as I am sure you, or anyone, would not. So your lack of anything to back up your statements clearly shows everyone what you are. Was it "hot air" you talked about?
Nikos - the developer of The Terraces was Aquarium Entertainments Ltd. They leased the land from the council back in 1955.
Posted by: freddie, No New Tony Davenport on 3:18pm Wed 26 Mar 08
We shall see
Posted by: Tony Davenport, Brighton on 3:25pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I am looking forward to it "Freddie". Feel free ;)
I am looking forward to it "Freddie". Feel free ;)
Posted by: Stu - just for fun, Brighton on 3:35pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote]I suppose "Freddie" it is only an odd thing to do if one enjoys the fantasy-fuelled mind of a conspiracy theorist. The truth is, as is so often the case, somewhat more banal, and something I have happily explained to anyone who has asked. My father was adopted and so I have no blood link to the Davies name at all. A couple of years ago it was time to renew my passport and as I had always planned to change my name to my family name of Davenport, and being an opponent of ID cards and biometric data on passports, I concluded that if I did it at that point I would be free of those things for at least 10 years (the duration of my new passport). Furthermore, I found I could do it for a mere £5 (still a great deal more than just typing a different name into the Argus comments box, eh?).
The lack of sinister intent or grand conspiracy must prove something of a disappointment to you! Besides this, if I was trying to "hide" from the thousands of supposed supporters of communal bins in my area, why would my election leaflet clearly state that I was the one who started the campaign against them in the streets where the majority thought they were unnecessary? That really would be stupid.
P.S. Elvis is dead. Sorry.[/quote]
Elvis isn't dead - I heard it on the radio.
I suppose "Freddie" it is only an odd thing to do if one enjoys the fantasy-fuelled mind of a conspiracy theorist. The truth is, as is so often the case, somewhat more banal, and something I have happily explained to anyone who has asked. My father was adopted and so I have no blood link to the Davies name at all. A couple of years ago it was time to renew my passport and as I had always planned to change my name to my family name of Davenport, and being an opponent of ID cards and biometric data on passports, I concluded that if I did it at that point I would be free of those things for at least 10 years (the duration of my new passport). Furthermore, I found I could do it for a mere £5 (still a great deal more than just typing a different name into the Argus comments box, eh?).
The lack of sinister intent or grand conspiracy must prove something of a disappointment to you! Besides this, if I was trying to "hide" from the thousands of supposed supporters of communal bins in my area, why would my election leaflet clearly state that I was the one who started the campaign against them in the streets where the majority thought they were unnecessary? That really would be stupid.
P.S. Elvis is dead. Sorry.
Elvis isn't dead - I heard it on the radio.
Posted by: Kit Napier, Hove on 5:27pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Gill Mitchell and her Labour cronies will go down in local history as part of a system that ripped the heart out of Brighton. What will happen when this and other proposed developments are completed will be the wholesale destruction of traditional Brighton & Hove.
Oh and as for karis, I would rather use Bodget and Scarper
Gill Mitchell and her Labour cronies will go down in local history as part of a system that ripped the heart out of Brighton. What will happen when this and other proposed developments are completed will be the wholesale destruction of traditional Brighton & Hove.
Oh and as for karis, I would rather use Bodget and Scarper
Posted by: Jon Moore, brighton on 6:57pm Wed 26 Mar 08
As has been said previously, what exactly is the relationship between Karis & the council after the developers well documented underhand tactics with the King Alfred project. You'd have thought that all future applications by this company would have been thrown out?
Black Lion St does need a tidy up but lets face it, we're getting a load of flats crammed into an ex-office block and another (as if Brighton needs it) bar - hardly worth all the fan fair is it? Proof again that Brighton is a one trick pony.
As has been said previously, what exactly is the relationship between Karis & the council after the developers well documented underhand tactics with the King Alfred project. You'd have thought that all future applications by this company would have been thrown out?
Black Lion St does need a tidy up but lets face it, we're getting a load of flats crammed into an ex-office block and another (as if Brighton needs it) bar - hardly worth all the fan fair is it? Proof again that Brighton is a one trick pony.
Posted by: Valerie Paynter, saveHOVE, Hove on 8:57pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I am not sure why the Argus has jumped to attention two weeks running to do Karis' bidding when sent a press release.
This is the 2nd of two near identical stories. The pictures cannot be called 'first' as the Black Lion Street development by Karis (BH2007/01485) got planning permission last year (I was at the meeting).
What is really galling is the willingness of the Argus to have printed these press releases unchecked.
On Thursday last at Environment Committee there was an item on the Agenda: approval of the pedestrianised scheme to ACCOMPANY the Karis development there. Far from being any kind of Karis largesse, the pedestrianisation bit was part of the deal of getting planning permission to develop the buildings there.
Indeed the Environment Committee paperwork indicates, in Agenda Item 145, at 3.3 that:
".....was submitted to the Council on 19th April 2007. As a part of the consultation with the Highway Authority it was identified that for the Application to receive approval it should be "designed to take into account the need to indtroduce pedestrian priority measures" as noted in Local Plan policy TR9. During initial discussions, it was clear that any scheme for Black Lion Street would have implications for the controlled parking zone".
At 3.5 it makes it clear that the present scheme being trumpetted in the Argus on behalf of Karis was not done by Karis. The outline scheme was drawn up in consultation with the Highway Authority and Conservations Officers using the stuff commissioned from Gehl Architects that informed the New Road scheme to act as a template.
Cllr Garry Peltzer Dunn voiced his annoyance that the Argus had printed the first press release sent by Karis several days earlier,indicating that it was all going on before Councillors had even approved it.
They'd have looked pretty foolish if councillors had sent it back to the drawing board!
As it is we see at 4.2 of the Agenda item that councillors were asked last Thursday only to "approve the principle of the scheme before the developers advance the detailed design...."
In the silence that fell in the room I threw out a comment. I said "They don't realise they no longer run the council".
One officer covered his head in shame. Karis has not yet been put back in its tawdry box by the new administration and that is a fact.
I am not sure why the Argus has jumped to attention two weeks running to do Karis' bidding when sent a press release.
This is the 2nd of two near identical stories. The pictures cannot be called 'first' as the Black Lion Street development by Karis (BH2007/01485) got planning permission last year (I was at the meeting).
What is really galling is the willingness of the Argus to have printed these press releases unchecked.
On Thursday last at Environment Committee there was an item on the Agenda: approval of the pedestrianised scheme to ACCOMPANY the Karis development there. Far from being any kind of Karis largesse, the pedestrianisation bit was part of the deal of getting planning permission to develop the buildings there.
Indeed the Environment Committee paperwork indicates, in Agenda Item 145, at 3.3 that:
".....was submitted to the Council on 19th April 2007. As a part of the consultation with the Highway Authority it was identified that for the Application to receive approval it should be "designed to take into account the need to indtroduce pedestrian priority measures" as noted in Local Plan policy TR9. During initial discussions, it was clear that any scheme for Black Lion Street would have implications for the controlled parking zone".
At 3.5 it makes it clear that the present scheme being trumpetted in the Argus on behalf of Karis was not done by Karis. The outline scheme was drawn up in consultation with the Highway Authority and Conservations Officers using the stuff commissioned from Gehl Architects that informed the New Road scheme to act as a template.
Cllr Garry Peltzer Dunn voiced his annoyance that the Argus had printed the first press release sent by Karis several days earlier,indicating that it was all going on before Councillors had even approved it.
They'd have looked pretty foolish if councillors had sent it back to the drawing board!
As it is we see at 4.2 of the Agenda item that councillors were asked last Thursday only to "approve the principle of the scheme before the developers advance the detailed design...."
In the silence that fell in the room I threw out a comment. I said "They don't realise they no longer run the council".
One officer covered his head in shame. Karis has not yet been put back in its tawdry box by the new administration and that is a fact.
Posted by: Big Cheese, Peacehaven on 10:27pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Valerie Paynter, saveHOVE[/bold] wrote:
I am not sure why the Argus has jumped to attention two weeks running to do Karis' bidding when sent a press release.
This is the 2nd of two near identical stories. The pictures cannot be called 'first' as the Black Lion Street development by Karis (BH2007/01485) got planning permission last year (I was at the meeting).
What is really galling is the willingness of the Argus to have printed these press releases unchecked.
On Thursday last at Environment Committee there was an item on the Agenda: approval of the pedestrianised scheme to ACCOMPANY the Karis development there. Far from being any kind of Karis largesse, the pedestrianisation bit was part of the deal of getting planning permission to develop the buildings there.
Indeed the Environment Committee paperwork indicates, in Agenda Item 145, at 3.3 that:
".....was submitted to the Council on 19th April 2007. As a part of the consultation with the Highway Authority it was identified that for the Application to receive approval it should be "designed to take into account the need to indtroduce pedestrian priority measures" as noted in Local Plan policy TR9. During initial discussions, it was clear that any scheme for Black Lion Street would have implications for the controlled parking zone".
At 3.5 it makes it clear that the present scheme being trumpetted in the Argus on behalf of Karis was not done by Karis. The outline scheme was drawn up in consultation with the Highway Authority and Conservations Officers using the stuff commissioned from Gehl Architects that informed the New Road scheme to act as a template.
Cllr Garry Peltzer Dunn voiced his annoyance that the Argus had printed the first press release sent by Karis several days earlier,indicating that it was all going on before Councillors had even approved it.
They'd have looked pretty foolish if councillors had sent it back to the drawing board!
As it is we see at 4.2 of the Agenda item that councillors were asked last Thursday only to "approve the principle of the scheme before the developers advance the detailed design...."
In the silence that fell in the room I threw out a comment. I said "They don't realise they no longer run the council".
One officer covered his head in shame. Karis has not yet been put back in its tawdry box by the new administration and that is a fact.[/quote] Any chance of a precis?
Valerie Paynter, saveHOVE wrote:
I am not sure why the Argus has jumped to attention two weeks running to do Karis' bidding when sent a press release.
This is the 2nd of two near identical stories. The pictures cannot be called 'first' as the Black Lion Street development by Karis (BH2007/01485) got planning permission last year (I was at the meeting).
What is really galling is the willingness of the Argus to have printed these press releases unchecked.
On Thursday last at Environment Committee there was an item on the Agenda: approval of the pedestrianised scheme to ACCOMPANY the Karis development there. Far from being any kind of Karis largesse, the pedestrianisation bit was part of the deal of getting planning permission to develop the buildings there.
Indeed the Environment Committee paperwork indicates, in Agenda Item 145, at 3.3 that:
".....was submitted to the Council on 19th April 2007. As a part of the consultation with the Highway Authority it was identified that for the Application to receive approval it should be "designed to take into account the need to indtroduce pedestrian priority measures" as noted in Local Plan policy TR9. During initial discussions, it was clear that any scheme for Black Lion Street would have implications for the controlled parking zone".
At 3.5 it makes it clear that the present scheme being trumpetted in the Argus on behalf of Karis was not done by Karis. The outline scheme was drawn up in consultation with the Highway Authority and Conservations Officers using the stuff commissioned from Gehl Architects that informed the New Road scheme to act as a template.
Cllr Garry Peltzer Dunn voiced his annoyance that the Argus had printed the first press release sent by Karis several days earlier,indicating that it was all going on before Councillors had even approved it.
They'd have looked pretty foolish if councillors had sent it back to the drawing board!
As it is we see at 4.2 of the Agenda item that councillors were asked last Thursday only to "approve the principle of the scheme before the developers advance the detailed design...."
In the silence that fell in the room I threw out a comment. I said "They don't realise they no longer run the council".
One officer covered his head in shame. Karis has not yet been put back in its tawdry box by the new administration and that is a fact.
Any chance of a precis?
Posted by: Norman, Brighton on 11:48pm Wed 26 Mar 08
So is Freddie above Gill Mitchell? Seems that way, have a shave dear. Pure class the local Labour lot, just look at the delightful Pat Hawkes.
What a wonderful job they all seem to be doing of handing contracts to the same company. One horse Town indeed, it seems.
So is Freddie above Gill Mitchell? Seems that way, have a shave dear. Pure class the local Labour lot, just look at the delightful Pat Hawkes.
What a wonderful job they all seem to be doing of handing contracts to the same company. One horse Town indeed, it seems.
Posted by: Barry, Walsingham Road on 3:11pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Yes, that Save Hove stuff waffles on and on again. It's not surprising it failed to stop the King Alfred.
Everybody threw away its leaflets round here. Incomprehensible, full of orders as far as I could make out. A waste of everybody's time.
Yes, that Save Hove stuff waffles on and on again. It's not surprising it failed to stop the King Alfred.
Everybody threw away its leaflets round here. Incomprehensible, full of orders as far as I could make out. A waste of everybody's time.
Posted by: AR, Hove on 11:13am Fri 20 Jun 08
Goodness gracious me, will Tony, Freddie and whoever please stop filling this page with their mindless uninteresting waffle and let those of us actually interested in the development get a word in. Boys, grow up please and take it outside.
Now back to the development, I think it's a good idea, will rejuvenate an otherwise tired and forboding area and will bring a bit of class. At the end of the day nowhere can be as bad as West Street of a Friday/Saturday night.
I agree with Tim's comment, "get over it". Karis have made Orange Row look very modern and saved it from an otherwise rundown ramshackle road so they are capable of something.
Take a look for yourself if you don't believe me!
Goodness gracious me, will Tony, Freddie and whoever please stop filling this page with their mindless uninteresting waffle and let those of us actually interested in the development get a word in. Boys, grow up please and take it outside.
Now back to the development, I think it's a good idea, will rejuvenate an otherwise tired and forboding area and will bring a bit of class. At the end of the day nowhere can be as bad as West Street of a Friday/Saturday night.
I agree with Tim's comment, "get over it". Karis have made Orange Row look very modern and saved it from an otherwise rundown ramshackle road so they are capable of something.
Take a look for yourself if you don't believe me!
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