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Albion deals - give some credit
Albion's charge for the play-offs emphasises the benefits of a good scouting system and the shrewd judgement of the man at the helm, Barry Lloyd.
Latest recruit Therry Racon is another player scouted by the Seagulls' former manager.
The groundwork on Charlton's French midfielder had already been done by Lloyd, so Albion were in a position to move quickly once Adam El-Abd was injured at Huddersfield.
On the evidence against Swindon and Nottingham Forest, Racon, signed on loan for the rest of the season, looks a really good addition.
With all due respect to Albion's other recent French captures, the former Marseille youngster comes with a better pedigree.
He has a bit of everything - strong in the tackle, decent in the air, a good engine and a sound range of passing. No wonder Charlton paid more than £400,000 for him.
El-Abd, as well as he has performed as an emergency midfielder, would be the first to admit he is more of a defender.
Racon and Steve Thomson, another Lloyd recruit, have the makings of an effective pairing.
Partnerships are important and Albion now have three strong ones through the spine of the side, with Nicky Forster and Glenn Murray in attack and Tommy Elphick and Joel Lynch at the back.
Lloyd also played a big part in the signing of Murray. Not all of his suggestions have come off. Former Aldershot striker Jonny Dixon is struggling to settle and the closest Irish midfielder Shane McFaul has come to a first-team start was as temporary right-back for the suspended Andrew Whing.
That is the nature of the transfer market - you win some you lose some and Lloyd is certainly in credit at the moment.
The home-grown pairing of Elphick and Lynch could develop into Albion's Vidic and Ferdinand.
Elphick, tossed the armband at Nottingham Forest after Thomson and Forster had been substituted, is a captain in the making.
He is a traditional centre-half, dovetailing nicely with the talented Lynch, who is more of a modern day defender.
11:26pm Wednesday 26th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Rich, Hanover on 11:35pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Andy Naylor gives some credit - to everyone but Wilkins.
Andy Naylor gives some credit - to everyone but Wilkins.
Posted by: Rich, Grenadier on 11:44pm Wed 26 Mar 08
This is an article about our scouting system not our management system. I notice that Andy hasn't given credit to Michael Vaughan either, should we be slagging him off?
This is an article about our scouting system not our management system. I notice that Andy hasn't given credit to Michael Vaughan either, should we be slagging him off?
Posted by: Frank Graham, Hove on 12:06am Thu 27 Mar 08
Barry Who? dont make me laugh !
Barry Who? dont make me laugh !
Posted by: John, brighton on 2:22am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Frank Graham[/bold] wrote:
Barry Who? dont make me laugh ![/quote] Frank you are an idiot.
Frank Graham wrote:
Barry Who? dont make me laugh !
Frank you are an idiot.
Posted by: Don't tell 'em Pike!, Lancing on 7:03am Thu 27 Mar 08
So Johnny Dixon is struggling to settle in. It must be all that travelling... no ok so its being miles away from family.... no, could it be he was a rush purchase that wasn't thought through?
I hope not as he is damaging his career by being her if that is the case.
Prove me wrong JD, prove me wrong.
So Johnny Dixon is struggling to settle in. It must be all that travelling... no ok so its being miles away from family.... no, could it be he was a rush purchase that wasn't thought through?
I hope not as he is damaging his career by being her if that is the case.
Prove me wrong JD, prove me wrong.
Posted by: Joel Edmondson, Worthing on 7:39am Thu 27 Mar 08
lloyd has been impressive and I have no doubts he is going to be useful. But some credit must surely go to Wilkins, i HOPE that lloyd is suggesting several players and wilkins is having to choose.
lloyd has been impressive and I have no doubts he is going to be useful. But some credit must surely go to Wilkins, i HOPE that lloyd is suggesting several players and wilkins is having to choose.
Posted by: Nick, Brighton on 8:09am Thu 27 Mar 08
Barry Lloyd was one of the better manangers this club has ever had so we shouldn't be surprised. BL was an excellent appointment as chief scout. He knows football.
Barry Lloyd was one of the better manangers this club has ever had so we shouldn't be surprised. BL was an excellent appointment as chief scout. He knows football.
Posted by: Paul, Brighton Seafront on 9:08am Thu 27 Mar 08
Did anyone really expect an immediate impact from Jonny Dixon? He has joined from non-league and it is going to take a while to settle down with more training and nex team mates. I suspect we won't see much/anything of him until next season, when he has some games (friendlies) under his belt and a pre-season training. It can't be easy with so many reserve fixtures falling victim to the weather.
I had a feeling that McFaul was in effect an extended trial to avoid losing him to other teams. I wait with interest to see if he has impressed enough in training to get a short term contract next season.
Did anyone really expect an immediate impact from Jonny Dixon? He has joined from non-league and it is going to take a while to settle down with more training and nex team mates. I suspect we won't see much/anything of him until next season, when he has some games (friendlies) under his belt and a pre-season training. It can't be easy with so many reserve fixtures falling victim to the weather.
I had a feeling that McFaul was in effect an extended trial to avoid losing him to other teams. I wait with interest to see if he has impressed enough in training to get a short term contract next season.
Posted by: uncle c on 9:20am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Nick[/bold] wrote:
Barry Lloyd was one of the better manangers this club has ever had so we shouldn\'t be surprised. BL was an excellent appointment as chief scout. He knows football.[/quote] Sorry, I just spat my tea all over the computer. Lloyd was a crap manager but good scout.
Nick wrote:
Barry Lloyd was one of the better manangers this club has ever had so we shouldn\'t be surprised. BL was an excellent appointment as chief scout. He knows football.
Sorry, I just spat my tea all over the computer. Lloyd was a crap manager but good scout.
Posted by: rob, Portslade on 9:36am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Nick[/bold] wrote:
Barry Lloyd was one of the better manangers this club has ever had so we shouldn't be surprised. BL was an excellent appointment as chief scout. He knows football.[/quote] Idiot - do you know nothing of this club. Lloyd treated this clubs fans with utter contempt from the minute he took over. Whilst I don't deny that he has found some good players, I agree with Uncle C on this one...Lloyd marked the beginning of the downfall of this club and it should never be forgotten!
Nick wrote:
Barry Lloyd was one of the better manangers this club has ever had so we shouldn't be surprised. BL was an excellent appointment as chief scout. He knows football.
Idiot - do you know nothing of this club. Lloyd treated this clubs fans with utter contempt from the minute he took over. Whilst I don't deny that he has found some good players, I agree with Uncle C on this one...Lloyd marked the beginning of the downfall of this club and it should never be forgotten!
Posted by: Andy, Notts on 9:45am Thu 27 Mar 08
Come on Guys-let's have a bit of balance.It's very easy to slag Bazza and forget he got us to a play off final and we had a team featuring the likes of Byrne and Small(one of our best striking partnerships ever?)and players like Clive Walker.
Admittedly it went a bit wrong after that and we ended up with(no offence meant guys)players like Tiltman,Horscroft and Geddes!!It's worth pointing out that Bary was forced to recruit these players because his playing budget had been slashed so wildly it was all he could afford!!
Things were so desperate that two of my friends ended up playing for the reserves when they were really no more than Sunday league players!!!
This unfortunatley was the start of the time the club was going downhill due to bad ownership not necessarily bad management from Bazza!!
I for one am glad he's back because I always thought he had the eye for a good player when his hands weren't tied.
UP THE ALBION!!
Come on Guys-let's have a bit of balance.It's very easy to slag Bazza and forget he got us to a play off final and we had a team featuring the likes of Byrne and Small(one of our best striking partnerships ever?)and players like Clive Walker.
Admittedly it went a bit wrong after that and we ended up with(no offence meant guys)players like Tiltman,Horscroft and Geddes!!It's worth pointing out that Bary was forced to recruit these players because his playing budget had been slashed so wildly it was all he could afford!!
Things were so desperate that two of my friends ended up playing for the reserves when they were really no more than Sunday league players!!!
This unfortunatley was the start of the time the club was going downhill due to bad ownership not necessarily bad management from Bazza!!
I for one am glad he's back because I always thought he had the eye for a good player when his hands weren't tied.
UP THE ALBION!!
Posted by: Ralph, Farnham on 9:52am Thu 27 Mar 08
As to whether Barry Lloyd was a good manager for Albion, it depends on your own experiences. Mine for example included watching my first ever game at the Goldstone in 1986 and then regularly during the late 80s. Those were pretty good days in my memory - The last game of the season in 87/88 against Bristol Rovers, there were about 20 000 to watch us get promoted under mr Lloyd's stewardship. What a day that was. Say what you like, Barry's one of the best managers we've had during my life time.
As to whether Barry Lloyd was a good manager for Albion, it depends on your own experiences. Mine for example included watching my first ever game at the Goldstone in 1986 and then regularly during the late 80s. Those were pretty good days in my memory - The last game of the season in 87/88 against Bristol Rovers, there were about 20 000 to watch us get promoted under mr Lloyd's stewardship. What a day that was. Say what you like, Barry's one of the best managers we've had during my life time.
Posted by: Alistair, horsham on 10:11am Thu 27 Mar 08
Ralph, I couldn't agree more. Barry Lloyd's years in charge were fantastic. He nearly got us into the top flight. I'll never forget when Garry Nelson was on fire. That team, along with those mentioned by others, had Keith Dublin, John Keeley, Alan Curbishley, a certain DW; even Sergei Gotsmanov for a bit. We had some cracking crowds at the Goldstone in the late '80s.
I'll always love the Albion, and I'm impressed with the current side. Here's to Barry Lloyd and Dean Wilkins. And the Brighton Faithful.
Ralph, I couldn't agree more. Barry Lloyd's years in charge were fantastic. He nearly got us into the top flight. I'll never forget when Garry Nelson was on fire. That team, along with those mentioned by others, had Keith Dublin, John Keeley, Alan Curbishley, a certain DW; even Sergei Gotsmanov for a bit. We had some cracking crowds at the Goldstone in the late '80s.
I'll always love the Albion, and I'm impressed with the current side. Here's to Barry Lloyd and Dean Wilkins. And the Brighton Faithful.
Posted by: Ralph, Farnham on 10:15am Thu 27 Mar 08
And Steve Gatting, Kevin Bremner, Robert Codner! There were so many legends. We gave Arsenal a good game in the 3rd round of the cup too.
And Steve Gatting, Kevin Bremner, Robert Codner! There were so many legends. We gave Arsenal a good game in the 3rd round of the cup too.
Posted by: DJ, Worthing on 10:23am Thu 27 Mar 08
Thin about albion is what they have is strong central pairings throughout Lynch Elphick Thomson Racon & Murray Forster with Kuipers.
All albion need now is some decent wingers that can cross and and run at players.
BL Help us out with your Scouting get some wingers
Thin about albion is what they have is strong central pairings throughout Lynch Elphick Thomson Racon & Murray Forster with Kuipers.
All albion need now is some decent wingers that can cross and and run at players.
BL Help us out with your Scouting get some wingers
Posted by: S. How-Whitedoor, Shoreham on 12:25pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Barry Lloyd may not be the greatest manager in the club's history (step forward Alan Mullery, first spell), but he is certainly a much better chief scout than Dean White. I wouldn't suggest changing it 7/9/10 games before the end of the season, but the KFC Kid is surely on borrowed time now. Hopefully he will return to Hastings in the summer.
Barry Lloyd may not be the greatest manager in the club's history (step forward Alan Mullery, first spell), but he is certainly a much better chief scout than Dean White. I wouldn't suggest changing it 7/9/10 games before the end of the season, but the KFC Kid is surely on borrowed time now. Hopefully he will return to Hastings in the summer.
Posted by: S. How-Whitedoor, Shoreham on 12:28pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ralph[/bold] wrote:
And Steve Gatting, Kevin Bremner, Robert Codner! There were so many legends. We gave Arsenal a good game in the 3rd round of the cup too.[/quote] A pedant writes: It was the 4th round actually. We beat Bournemouth in the 3rd. I've heard Codner described as a few things, but "legend" is a new 1 on me!
Ralph wrote:
And Steve Gatting, Kevin Bremner, Robert Codner! There were so many legends. We gave Arsenal a good game in the 3rd round of the cup too.
A pedant writes: It was the 4th round actually. We beat Bournemouth in the 3rd. I've heard Codner described as a few things, but "legend" is a new 1 on me!
Posted by: Nick, Brighton on 3:04pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Rob. Why does my opinion differing from yours make me an idiot and you right?
Given that football is a part entertainment part results driven business, Barry Lloyd
put together an entertaining side who could pass the ball and who took us to within 90
minutes of the old Div 1. Only Alan Mullery has bettered that in the whole history of our club.
I may be right or I may be wrong but I support the same club as you and am entitled
to my opinion and respect that you are entitled to yours.
Rob. Why does my opinion differing from yours make me an idiot and you right?
Given that football is a part entertainment part results driven business, Barry Lloyd
put together an entertaining side who could pass the ball and who took us to within 90
minutes of the old Div 1. Only Alan Mullery has bettered that in the whole history of our club.
I may be right or I may be wrong but I support the same club as you and am entitled
to my opinion and respect that you are entitled to yours.
Posted by: Drew, Burgess Hill on 3:22pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Nick[/bold] wrote:
Rob. Why does my opinion differing from yours make me an idiot and you right? Given that football is a part entertainment part results driven business, Barry Lloyd put together an entertaining side who could pass the ball and who took us to within 90 minutes of the old Div 1. Only Alan Mullery has bettered that in the whole history of our club. I may be right or I may be wrong but I support the same club as you and am entitled to my opinion and respect that you are entitled to yours. [/quote] Have to agree with you there Nick. Whilst at the time there was some dissillusionment with BL, hindsight shows he was working with his hands tied behind his back. Garry Nelson had a great season when we were promoted and we were never expecting to get to the play-offs a couple of years later(if the ref had correctly given a goal kick instead of a corner then Notts County may never have scored their first goal and our history may have taken a different turn). It would seem that Rob is the one who knows nothing of the club. To suggest the rot set in with BL ignores all the financial mismanagement by M Bamber and the downward spiral from then. Great times under Mullery/Bamber but at what cost?
Nick wrote:
Rob. Why does my opinion differing from yours make me an idiot and you right? Given that football is a part entertainment part results driven business, Barry Lloyd put together an entertaining side who could pass the ball and who took us to within 90 minutes of the old Div 1. Only Alan Mullery has bettered that in the whole history of our club. I may be right or I may be wrong but I support the same club as you and am entitled to my opinion and respect that you are entitled to yours.
Have to agree with you there Nick. Whilst at the time there was some dissillusionment with BL, hindsight shows he was working with his hands tied behind his back. Garry Nelson had a great season when we were promoted and we were never expecting to get to the play-offs a couple of years later(if the ref had correctly given a goal kick instead of a corner then Notts County may never have scored their first goal and our history may have taken a different turn). It would seem that Rob is the one who knows nothing of the club. To suggest the rot set in with BL ignores all the financial mismanagement by M Bamber and the downward spiral from then. Great times under Mullery/Bamber but at what cost?
Posted by: Frank, Worthing on 4:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Ask Barry Lloyd if he profited from the sale of the Goldstone.
The answer may be shocking!
Ask Barry Lloyd if he profited from the sale of the Goldstone.
The answer may be shocking!
Posted by: uncle c on 4:22pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ralph[/bold] wrote:
As to whether Barry Lloyd was a good manager for Albion, it depends on your own experiences. Mine for example included watching my first ever game at the Goldstone in 1986 and then regularly during the late 80s. Those were pretty good days in my memory - The last game of the season in 87/88 against Bristol Rovers, there were about 20 000 to watch us get promoted under mr Lloyd's stewardship. What a day that was. Say what you like, Barry's one of the best managers we've had during my life time.[/quote] I expect you still believed in tooth fairies and Father Christmas back then.
Ralph wrote:
As to whether Barry Lloyd was a good manager for Albion, it depends on your own experiences. Mine for example included watching my first ever game at the Goldstone in 1986 and then regularly during the late 80s. Those were pretty good days in my memory - The last game of the season in 87/88 against Bristol Rovers, there were about 20 000 to watch us get promoted under mr Lloyd's stewardship. What a day that was. Say what you like, Barry's one of the best managers we've had during my life time.
I expect you still believed in tooth fairies and Father Christmas back then.
Posted by: bruceb, NYC on 6:10pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Ah ... Sergey Gotsmanov. I seem to remember him sitting on the ball on the goal-line. Whatever happened to him? I seem to recall him being filched by Southampton? Those were happy days at the Goldstone and Barry Lloyd certainly had an eye for a player then.
Ah ... Sergey Gotsmanov. I seem to remember him sitting on the ball on the goal-line. Whatever happened to him? I seem to recall him being filched by Southampton? Those were happy days at the Goldstone and Barry Lloyd certainly had an eye for a player then.
Posted by: James, Brighton on 7:08pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Drew, you have drawn attention to the situation which has continued since Barry Lloyd, all subsequent managers had to struggle with their hands tied behind their backs,thats why we are in Div 1, with decreasing gates.
If people like Coppell,Taylor and Mcgee etc had been backed by a Board with real cash we would still be in the Championship
Drew, you have drawn attention to the situation which has continued since Barry Lloyd, all subsequent managers had to struggle with their hands tied behind their backs,thats why we are in Div 1, with decreasing gates.
If people like Coppell,Taylor and Mcgee etc had been backed by a Board with real cash we would still be in the Championship
Posted by: Drew, Burgess Hill on 7:34pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
Ask Barry Lloyd if he profited from the sale of the Goldstone. The answer may be shocking![/quote] Tell you what Frank, why don't you actually tell us what you know rather than leave little riddles. If you know and it is shocking, share with other fans.
Frank wrote:
Ask Barry Lloyd if he profited from the sale of the Goldstone. The answer may be shocking!
Tell you what Frank, why don't you actually tell us what you know rather than leave little riddles. If you know and it is shocking, share with other fans.
Posted by: Drew, Burgess Hill on 7:41pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote:
Drew, you have drawn attention to the situation which has continued since Barry Lloyd, all subsequent managers had to struggle with their hands tied behind their backs,thats why we are in Div 1, with decreasing gates. If people like Coppell,Taylor and Mcgee etc had been backed by a Board with real cash we would still be in the Championship[/quote] Won't disagree other than Coppell, Taylor and McGhee all knew what the fans knew in that we had no ground and hardly any cash. BL in his position as MD knew considerably more than the fans about the predicament of the club finances. Was he in league with Bellotti and Archer, I tend to think not, just that he did his best to keep the club afloat against all the odds. The fact is the only time we have had a considerably rich board was with Archer and he had no inclination to put money in. Perhaps your post is intimating a change of the current board. If you can name an alternative with stacks of money then great but I suspect not.
James wrote:
Drew, you have drawn attention to the situation which has continued since Barry Lloyd, all subsequent managers had to struggle with their hands tied behind their backs,thats why we are in Div 1, with decreasing gates. If people like Coppell,Taylor and Mcgee etc had been backed by a Board with real cash we would still be in the Championship
Won't disagree other than Coppell, Taylor and McGhee all knew what the fans knew in that we had no ground and hardly any cash. BL in his position as MD knew considerably more than the fans about the predicament of the club finances. Was he in league with Bellotti and Archer, I tend to think not, just that he did his best to keep the club afloat against all the odds. The fact is the only time we have had a considerably rich board was with Archer and he had no inclination to put money in. Perhaps your post is intimating a change of the current board. If you can name an alternative with stacks of money then great but I suspect not.
Posted by: mark, brighton on 8:06pm Thu 27 Mar 08
to say he has done well as ascout is not true, signing loan players from higher clubs is not that hard, as for the players on contract, its mcfaul dixon, thompson, and murray. of those only 1 has really shown us he was a good buy, one out of 4 is not that great.
to say he has done well as ascout is not true, signing loan players from higher clubs is not that hard, as for the players on contract, its mcfaul dixon, thompson, and murray. of those only 1 has really shown us he was a good buy, one out of 4 is not that great.
Posted by: James, Brighton on 7:35pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I am sure that if Knight and Co made it clear that in view of the lack of cash they would make way for someone with the required finance it would happen.
There was the possibility that if the Birmingham buyout had succeed then Gold would have been more than interested,however he received no encouragement from our Board
I am sure that if Knight and Co made it clear that in view of the lack of cash they would make way for someone with the required finance it would happen.
There was the possibility that if the Birmingham buyout had succeed then Gold would have been more than interested,however he received no encouragement from our Board
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